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Post by quasar on Feb 19, 2019 2:54:48 GMT
My guess is that they're waiting for a few weeks in a row where new eps are aired to see what happens to the ratings. It's been a problem for TR and all Tuesday night shows for more than a month. Just when they were coming back from the holiday break, there were events that interrupted their schedules. TR seems to have suffered the most. It's tough on an iffy show without a solid base.
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Post by KB1L40 on Feb 19, 2019 15:11:53 GMT
Crosscastle, Quasar - thanks for that. It seems like an awful position to be in, not knowing. I mean do you accept a new show, or wait to see what happens with your current series and possibly miss out?
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Post by quasar on Feb 20, 2019 0:17:24 GMT
Crosscastle, Quasar - thanks for that. It seems like an awful position to be in, not knowing. I mean do you accept a new show, or wait to see what happens with your current series and possibly miss out? B :-) I think it's the nature of the beast. TV's an iffy business like the theater. Movies are different. Once you get the job, you do the job. Success or failure comes afterwards. In TV, success and failure come at any stage during development - after the pitch, after the pilot, the first episode, the tenth ep, first season....In theater, the show can die in previews or after one opening night and so on. Tough business to be in.
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Post by latte on Mar 7, 2019 0:28:00 GMT
10 p.m. New Amsterdam (NBC) 1.0/5 5.87 The Rookie (ABC) 0.8/4 4.47 FBI (CBS) – R\ 0.4/2 3.84 Despite being down considerably from its Monday night episode’s 2.0 season high, “The Bachelor” did lift “The Rookie” up from its previous 0.6 to a 0.8 with 4.47 million viewers – tying its second-best rating ever in the demo.
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Post by prd4castle on Mar 7, 2019 2:12:18 GMT
The Rookie episodes are getting better as the season goes on. Will be interesting to see if it gets a season 2 renewal.
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Post by quasar on Mar 7, 2019 4:00:30 GMT
10 p.m. New Amsterdam (NBC) 1.0/5 5.87 The Rookie (ABC) 0.8/4 4.47 FBI (CBS) – R\ 0.4/2 3.84 Despite being down considerably from its Monday night episode’s 2.0 season high, “The Bachelor” did lift “The Rookie” up from its previous 0.6 to a 0.8 with 4.47 million viewers – tying its second-best rating ever in the demo. I wonder if this will be considered a significant increase from the 0.6 3.8 million it settled into the past few weeks. To me it seems just a fortuitous blip. TR and NF did significant promotion tied into the Bachelor women special ep, which won't be carried over, plus there were a couple of guest stars that received some attention plus CBS had a repeat of a different show in the timeslot. Despite all that TR lost a lot of The Bachelor audience. On the other hand, if the higher rating is sustained next week and the week after, the show likely has a better than average chance of a season 2.
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Post by quasar on Mar 7, 2019 4:15:57 GMT
The Rookie episodes are getting better as the season goes on. Will be interesting to see if it gets a season 2 renewal. If true (I can't say as I haven't watched since a bit of ep 4), they have to find a way to get the word out. Too many people dropped it after the first few eps and there's just too much other stuff out there for most people to return to something they already tried. Last night took advantage of the special lead-in and guest stars, but what's going to help in the following weeks unless they recaptured some viewers last night? I read something on ensemble shows versus star vehicles some time ago. It made me apply some of what it said to both Castle and TR. Castle, I think, started out in concept as a one-star vehicle with a strong second lead because of the inherent WTWT storyline. I think it surprised TPTB that it became a two-character, two-star show, with a very secondary but important ensemble at the precinct and at Castle's home. TR was definitely sold as a single star vehicle, the entire storyline was supposed to center on this aging rookie. All of the early promotion pointed to that. Yet it circumvented his "story" almost immediately, never truly dealing with Nolan's past or transition. He very quickly became just one more of the rookies in what now looks more like an ensemble. For me, it sounds typical of Hawley's lack of direction and focus. Just what story is he trying to tell? He floundered similarly in Castle S8 and apparently in other shows he tried to run. Just my thoughts.
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Mar 14, 2019 5:00:17 GMT
Cancel Bear has upgraded the show from "tossup" to a cautious "likely to be renewed," largely because of its relatively strong DVR numbers. link
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Post by jnorton45 on Mar 14, 2019 10:32:10 GMT
Streaming video now makes recorded network shows valuable. Wow, the industry has moved along really fast. It wasn’t too long ago that dvr numbers were highly discounted by networks and advertisers alike. Then again I haven’t watched a first run scripted show on network tv in 2 years.
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Post by KB1L40 on Apr 3, 2019 11:57:24 GMT
Quasar - thanks for your post of March 7. It was exactly what I was thinking in terms of promotion. That this was a new series starring Nathan and not a show in which Nathan would be appearing. However from the little that I have read it appears to be heading in the direction of Nolan just being one of the rookies.
Castlefan - I was really hoping that you would post your thoughts on the episode in which the Captain was killed. As always I enjoyed reading TV Line comments and most of the fans there were not happy. My understanding is that the Captain was not one of the characters about which you knew a great deal but what was revealed, fans liked and thought that there was more story to tell. My first thought was that Hawley was doing a 'Montgomery' in which this Captain gave Nolan a chance? And there was a suggestion that an IA officer would now become the new Captain as in Gates who will add to the guilt that Nolan must surely already be feeling?
Hope to get your thoughts, or anyone else who watches. And Castlefan I was happy to read elsewhere on this board that you feel a little more optimistic about a possible S2.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Apr 3, 2019 18:28:12 GMT
Quasar - thanks for your post of March 7. It was exactly what I was thinking in terms of promotion. That this was a new series starring Nathan and not a show in which Nathan would be appearing. However from the little that I have read it appears to be heading in the direction of Nolan just being one of the rookies. Castlefan - I was really hoping that you would post your thoughts on the episode in which the Captain was killed. As always I enjoyed reading TV Line comments and most of the fans there were not happy. My understanding is that the Captain was not one of the characters about which you knew a great deal but what was revealed, fans liked and thought that there was more story to tell. My first thought was that Hawley was doing a 'Montgomery' in which this Captain gave Nolan a chance? And there was a suggestion that an IA officer would now become the new Captain as in Gates who will add to the guilt that Nolan must surely already be feeling? Hope to get your thoughts, or anyone else who watches. And Castlefan I was happy to read elsewhere on this board that you feel a little more optimistic about a possible S2. B. :) The ratings of the show are poor. No matter how you look at it, the ratings are cancellation level. A lot of people seem to think that killing the captain was to shake things up and get social media talking.
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Post by KB1L40 on Apr 8, 2019 11:24:26 GMT
Castlefan - fingers crossed about S2 because it sounds as though this season will end on a cliffhanger!
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Post by latte on May 10, 2019 23:51:20 GMT
Looks like I would have lost this bet! Good news for those who enjoyed the show.
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Post by jnorton45 on May 19, 2019 18:01:54 GMT
Renewed
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Post by terry303 on Jun 23, 2019 19:11:57 GMT
I see the Rookie will be moved to Sunday nights for next season. I'm not sure of that time slot or day, but it does not seem like a good idea to me. Could someone who is savvy about time slots let me know it this is a good idea. Thanks.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Jun 24, 2019 0:40:49 GMT
I see the Rookie will be moved to Sunday nights for next season. I'm not sure of that time slot or day, but it does not seem like a good idea to me. Could someone who is savvy about time slots let me know it this is a good idea. Thanks. It’s not a good timeslot. It will be up against Sunday Night Football on NBC.
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Post by terry303 on Jun 25, 2019 0:14:33 GMT
I see the Rookie will be moved to Sunday nights for next season. I'm not sure of that time slot or day, but it does not seem like a good idea to me. Could someone who is savvy about time slots let me know it this is a good idea. Thanks. It’s not a good timeslot. It will be up against Sunday Night Football on NBC. Thanks. Too bad for Nathan
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Jun 25, 2019 2:37:22 GMT
I see the Rookie will be moved to Sunday nights for next season. I'm not sure of that time slot or day, but it does not seem like a good idea to me. Could someone who is savvy about time slots let me know it this is a good idea. Thanks. It’s not a good timeslot. It will be up against Sunday Night Football on NBC. I would bet that that is exactly the point - the show appeals to older women, so this is classic counter-programming. I bet that they're hoping to increase the live viewing numbers, since there will be lots of women looking for something to watch live (not trying to be sexist here at all, but the fact is that football viewership is heavily male-dominated, and also appeals to young viewers).
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Post by castlefan1212 on Jun 25, 2019 4:21:17 GMT
It’s not a good timeslot. It will be up against Sunday Night Football on NBC. I would bet that that is exactly the point - the show appeals to older women, so this is classic counter-programming. I bet that they're hoping to increase the live viewing numbers, since there will be lots of women looking for something to watch live (not trying to be sexist here at all, but the fact is that football viewership is heavily male-dominated, and also appeals to young viewers). But they would have Male family members who would want to watch football. Sports are usually watched live. So The Rookie will have to be DVR. Plus older viewership don’t contribute to ratings. The younger audience does. They are the only ones who matter. Plus The Rookie is known to have more of a Male audience than female. It is one of the most male-skewing shows on ABC. It’s not a good timeslot. Anything on weekend is not good especially for ABC.
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Jun 25, 2019 18:36:44 GMT
I would bet that that is exactly the point - the show appeals to older women, so this is classic counter-programming. I bet that they're hoping to increase the live viewing numbers, since there will be lots of women looking for something to watch live (not trying to be sexist here at all, but the fact is that football viewership is heavily male-dominated, and also appeals to young viewers). But they would have Male family members who would want to watch football. Sports are usually watched live. So The Rookie will have to be DVR. Plus older viewership don’t contribute to ratings. The younger audience does. They are the only ones who matter. Plus The Rookie is known to have more of a Male audience than female. It is one of the most male-skewing shows on ABC. It’s not a good timeslot. Anything on weekend is not good especially for ABC. The Rookie doesn't have a more male audience; www.showbuzzdaily.com/tag/the-rookie-ratings shows that the female shares are consistently the same or higher than the male shares for the show (that's true for most network shows). There's more than one television in a house, and the non-football fans will be looking for something to watch. NBC ran The Village against The Rookie last season, and it had much higher shares for women than men, no doubt hurting The Rookie's live viewership (women watched The Village live and The Rookie on DVR). Further, CBS's entire Tuesday night lineup skews heavily older, also hurting The Rookie's live viewership. If ABC had left the show on Tuesday I'll bet it would have been canceled by Christmas. In any event, if ABC cared about the demo ratings for this show they would have canceled it, since they're already too low for the show to make money that way. They're trying to turn some of the DVR viewership into live viewership, since even if it's 50+ people live viewership is worth more to advertisers than DVR viewership where people fast forward through the commercials. Fox's animation shows on Sunday nights skew young and male, which is more evidence that ABC can't be expecting anything from the demo from The Rookie. It is also not true that Sunday nights are bad for TV viewership - that is in fact the night with the largest viewership (because of football). If ABC was looking to bury the show they would have put it on Friday or Saturday, not Sunday. The point is that based on ratings the show should have been canceled, and there is absolutely no reason to think it will be better next season. They're looking for something different instead. I expect that the ratings will go down, but older and female demographics will go up, and that's the way they'll try to sell it to advertisers. I doubt that it will work, and expect that the show will get canceled anyway, but this at least gives them a chance, unlike all of the other Tuesday night ABC shows that had bad ratings and were simply canceled.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Jun 26, 2019 16:52:21 GMT
But they would have Male family members who would want to watch football. Sports are usually watched live. So The Rookie will have to be DVR. Plus older viewership don’t contribute to ratings. The younger audience does. They are the only ones who matter. Plus The Rookie is known to have more of a Male audience than female. It is one of the most male-skewing shows on ABC. It’s not a good timeslot. Anything on weekend is not good especially for ABC. The Rookie doesn't have a more male audience; www.showbuzzdaily.com/tag/the-rookie-ratings shows that the female shares are consistently the same or higher than the male shares for the show (that's true for most network shows). There's more than one television in a house, and the non-football fans will be looking for something to watch. NBC ran The Village against The Rookie last season, and it had much higher shares for women than men, no doubt hurting The Rookie's live viewership (women watched The Village live and The Rookie on DVR). Further, CBS's entire Tuesday night lineup skews heavily older, also hurting The Rookie's live viewership. If ABC had left the show on Tuesday I'll bet it would have been canceled by Christmas. In any event, if ABC cared about the demo ratings for this show they would have canceled it, since they're already too low for the show to make money that way. They're trying to turn some of the DVR viewership into live viewership, since even if it's 50+ people live viewership is worth more to advertisers than DVR viewership where people fast forward through the commercials. Fox's animation shows on Sunday nights skew young and male, which is more evidence that ABC can't be expecting anything from the demo from The Rookie. It is also not true that Sunday nights are bad for TV viewership - that is in fact the night with the largest viewership (because of football). If ABC was looking to bury the show they would have put it on Friday or Saturday, not Sunday. The point is that based on ratings the show should have been canceled, and there is absolutely no reason to think it will be better next season. They're looking for something different instead. I expect that the ratings will go down, but older and female demographics will go up, and that's the way they'll try to sell it to advertisers. I doubt that it will work, and expect that the show will get canceled anyway, but this at least gives them a chance, unlike all of the other Tuesday night ABC shows that had bad ratings and were simply canceled. Sunday 10pm on ABC is not a good timeslot. In fact it is the deathslot for ABC because in the last many years, no show ever lasted in that time slot and many of those shows were female-led shows.
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Jun 27, 2019 2:04:42 GMT
The Rookie doesn't have a more male audience; www.showbuzzdaily.com/tag/the-rookie-ratings shows that the female shares are consistently the same or higher than the male shares for the show (that's true for most network shows). There's more than one television in a house, and the non-football fans will be looking for something to watch. NBC ran The Village against The Rookie last season, and it had much higher shares for women than men, no doubt hurting The Rookie's live viewership (women watched The Village live and The Rookie on DVR). Further, CBS's entire Tuesday night lineup skews heavily older, also hurting The Rookie's live viewership. If ABC had left the show on Tuesday I'll bet it would have been canceled by Christmas. In any event, if ABC cared about the demo ratings for this show they would have canceled it, since they're already too low for the show to make money that way. They're trying to turn some of the DVR viewership into live viewership, since even if it's 50+ people live viewership is worth more to advertisers than DVR viewership where people fast forward through the commercials. Fox's animation shows on Sunday nights skew young and male, which is more evidence that ABC can't be expecting anything from the demo from The Rookie. It is also not true that Sunday nights are bad for TV viewership - that is in fact the night with the largest viewership (because of football). If ABC was looking to bury the show they would have put it on Friday or Saturday, not Sunday. The point is that based on ratings the show should have been canceled, and there is absolutely no reason to think it will be better next season. They're looking for something different instead. I expect that the ratings will go down, but older and female demographics will go up, and that's the way they'll try to sell it to advertisers. I doubt that it will work, and expect that the show will get canceled anyway, but this at least gives them a chance, unlike all of the other Tuesday night ABC shows that had bad ratings and were simply canceled. Sunday 10pm on ABC is not a good timeslot. In fact it is the deathslot for ABC because in the last many years, no show ever lasted in that time slot and many of those shows were female-led shows. I really don't understand what you're arguing about. The show should have been canceled based on its ratings, and as I've already said, there's every reason to think it will be canceled next year no matter what time slot it's in. I've given several reasons that are consistent with how the TV business works for why they would put it in the Sunday time slot, since for whatever reason they didn't want to just cancel it. The show was never going to get a prime slot when the ratings are bad, so what exactly were you expecting? The Sunday slot is not going to hurt it compared to being in the Tuesday slot, since what it has going for it are older viewers and DVR viewers, but obviously ABC hopes they can find something to put on Tuesdays at 10 that won't be a failure (something they haven't managed to do in years).
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Aug 30, 2019 15:01:32 GMT
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Post by castlefan1212 on Aug 30, 2019 16:09:07 GMT
He is supposed to smile when the camera is pointed at him.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Sept 2, 2019 14:04:15 GMT
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Sept 17, 2019 14:53:06 GMT
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Post by temple01uk on Sept 17, 2019 16:35:49 GMT
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Post by KB1L40 on Sept 18, 2019 12:34:00 GMT
What I loved about this reunion was that someone on the TVLine comments said something like: "I wonder why Stana couldn't make it?" Smiling even now as I typed it.
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Post by terry303 on Feb 20, 2020 23:31:57 GMT
Saw at trailer for the Rookie. In a scene with the serial killer (Anne Wersching), she mentions to Nathan's character about ripping someone's face off (remember her as serial killer Kelly Nieman on Castle who was going to steal Beckett's face for herself). Also, in the Rookie she is paired with a male serial killer, just like on Castle. Interesting....
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Feb 23, 2020 12:11:12 GMT
Just thought Id mention the show returns this week in US. Not that I will watch it when it starts here.
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