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Post by veritas on Apr 10, 2019 12:10:25 GMT
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 29, 2019 15:14:19 GMT
It Was Alice!!! She shot the therapist then fled. She also started off by being Nick's therapist!!
The begining of the ep started with Crown telling Emily off and that she has to answer for what happened to Tommy and also in Moldavia., that he cant protect her.
Jack rings Alice at home and she says they are over. Jack tells her he was better with her. Then he quietly tells her off.
FBI are busy trying to crack the encrypted files of the therapist, there are 7 years of them.... then Cal, and Emily go to a building that starts off underground..... and find more boxes of files from Catalyst Diagnostics. A file included is that of Laurie....
Nick at home tells Alice that therapist is dead.....she then flashback to uni days and he was her mentor re brain development, and she said to therapist as teacher that she wants to help kids like she used to be....he offered her a job.
FBI; Profiler tells Crown to take job back in the field, ie he's demoted for how he's handled the case, plus Nick.... Profiler will take over as boss.
At Durands,.....Alice tells Nick they need to go camping as a family. . . . . . . .
FBI are searching through the therapists files for evidence and start finding things....Cal rings Nick.
More Alice flashbacks......Flynn being injected for 7 years......Emily says only two who couldve known were Nick and Alice.
Back camping....Alice suddenly says she's sick....will go back home.....which she does, and clears out files and uncovers gun from safe.
Emily learns from phone records that therapist called Alice over and over and the above scene happened prior to Emily seeing Alice at hospital....
Alice shoots therapist, then leaves.
Emily from FBI rings Nick and tells of Alice and regular blood tests for Flynn....Nick dosnt really believe.
FBI keep treking Alice's phone.... Alice gets home, then gets cab, and flashes back to toddler Flynn after Emily disappeared, and mentions Warren, and Nick asks how does she know Warren? Alice was Nick's therapist in the beginning.
Emily finds Alice. Both have guns trained on each other. Alice asks Emily to let her go. Emily does, but not before ensuring Alice never sees Flynn again. Alice agrees. Alice says she killed therapist to protect Flynn. Emily says she did it to protect herself.
Alice is shot. The profiler shot her. Alice is dead.
Nick and Flynn are found by Emily......who we gather tells them the news (no dialogue).
I hope there is a season 3 for Warren to admit what he knows/knew., and to continue Emily and.....
All in all a brilliant final ep for Season 2, topped by the Accomplice Being Alice.
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Post by temple01uk on May 29, 2019 16:36:43 GMT
Many thanks Syd for the run down of the episode, I will try to watch this evening.
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Post by latte on May 30, 2019 3:44:00 GMT
It Was Alice!!! She shot the therapist then fled. She also started off by being Nick's therapist!! The begining of the ep started with Crown telling Emily off and that she has to answer for what happened to Tommy and also in Moldavia., that he cant protect her. Jack rings Alice at home and she says they are over. Jack tells her he was better with her. Then he quietly tells her off. FBI are busy trying to crack the encrypted files of the therapist, there are 7 years of them.... then Cal, and Emily go to a building that starts off underground..... and find more boxes of files from Catalyst Diagnostics. A file included is that of Laurie.... Nick at home tells Alice that therapist is dead.....she then flashback to uni days and he was her mentor re brain development, and she said to therapist as teacher that she wants to help kids like she used to be....he offered her a job. FBI; Profiler tells Crown to take job back in the field, ie he's demoted for how he's handled the case, plus Nick.... Profiler will take over as boss. At Durands,.....Alice tells Nick they need to go camping as a family. . . . . . . . FBI are searching through the therapists files for evidence and start finding things....Cal rings Nick. More Alice flashbacks......Flynn being injected for 7 years......Emily says only two who couldve known were Nick and Alice. Back camping....Alice suddenly says she's sick....will go back home.....which she does, and clears out files and uncovers gun from safe. Emily learns from phone records that therapist called Alice over and over and the above scene happened prior to Emily seeing Alice at hospital.... Alice shoots therapist, then leaves. Emily from FBI rings Nick and tells of Alice and regular blood tests for Flynn....Nick dosnt really believe. FBI keep treking Alice's phone.... Alice gets home, then gets cab, and flashes back to toddler Flynn after Emily disappeared, and mentions Warren, and Nick asks how does she know Warren? Alice was Nick's therapist in the beginning. Emily finds Alice. Both have guns trained on each other. Alice asks Emily to let her go. Emily does, but not before ensuring Alice never sees Flynn again. Alice agrees. Alice says she killed therapist to protect Flynn. Emily says she did it to protect herself. Alice is shot. The profiler shot her. Alice is dead. Nick and Flynn are found by Emily......who we gather tells them the news (no dialogue). I hope there is a season 3 for Warren to admit what he knows/knew., and to continue Emily and..... All in all a brilliant final ep for Season 2, topped by the Accomplice Being Alice. OMG, I was right about Alice!
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Post by latte on May 30, 2019 5:41:35 GMT
It Was Alice!!! She shot the therapist then fled. She also started off by being Nick's therapist!! The begining of the ep started with Crown telling Emily off and that she has to answer for what happened to Tommy and also in Moldavia., that he cant protect her. Jack rings Alice at home and she says they are over. Jack tells her he was better with her. Then he quietly tells her off. FBI are busy trying to crack the encrypted files of the therapist, there are 7 years of them.... then Cal, and Emily go to a building that starts off underground..... and find more boxes of files from Catalyst Diagnostics. A file included is that of Laurie.... Nick at home tells Alice that therapist is dead.....she then flashback to uni days and he was her mentor re brain development, and she said to therapist as teacher that she wants to help kids like she used to be....he offered her a job. FBI; Profiler tells Crown to take job back in the field, ie he's demoted for how he's handled the case, plus Nick.... Profiler will take over as boss. At Durands,.....Alice tells Nick they need to go camping as a family. . . . . . . . FBI are searching through the therapists files for evidence and start finding things....Cal rings Nick. More Alice flashbacks......Flynn being injected for 7 years......Emily says only two who couldve known were Nick and Alice. Back camping....Alice suddenly says she's sick....will go back home.....which she does, and clears out files and uncovers gun from safe. Emily learns from phone records that therapist called Alice over and over and the above scene happened prior to Emily seeing Alice at hospital.... Alice shoots therapist, then leaves. Emily from FBI rings Nick and tells of Alice and regular blood tests for Flynn....Nick dosnt really believe. FBI keep treking Alice's phone.... Alice gets home, then gets cab, and flashes back to toddler Flynn after Emily disappeared, and mentions Warren, and Nick asks how does she know Warren? Alice was Nick's therapist in the beginning. Emily finds Alice. Both have guns trained on each other. Alice asks Emily to let her go. Emily does, but not before ensuring Alice never sees Flynn again. Alice agrees. Alice says she killed therapist to protect Flynn. Emily says she did it to protect herself. Alice is shot. The profiler shot her. Alice is dead. Nick and Flynn are found by Emily......who we gather tells them the news (no dialogue). I hope there is a season 3 for Warren to admit what he knows/knew., and to continue Emily and..... All in all a brilliant final ep for Season 2, topped by the Accomplice Being Alice. Possible correction on Alice. Don't believe she returns to the home from camping. The scene of her clearing out files and finding a gun were a flashback to just before she bumped into Emily in the hospital. She was clearing any incriminating evidence from the therapists office and then used the gun to kill him.The flashback scenes were at times challenging to distinguish from a RT scene, aside from more obvious ones such as a much younger Flynn.
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Post by latte on May 30, 2019 6:06:34 GMT
So Absentia Season 2 is over. This episode simply played out the obvious plot that Alice was somehow involved in the whole set up. There were breadcrumbs for us to pick that plot up as I posted previously. The show could very easily end where it is now. But if it continues on it runs to danger of getting into a 'Loksat' type conspiracy. If left to the level of a crazed scientist/therapist who illegally experimented on humans and who had a willing accomplice in Alice then the story is reasonable and is complete as they are both now dead. Silly writing to have Alice accompany Nick and Flynn into the woods and then to announce she needs to walk back to the car due to illness. Would any other husband and son really think it was ok to let a wife and mother walk alone through the woods particularly after saying they were unwell? Seriously who would do that? But if the sudden accession of the FBI profiler to the head of the Boston FBI Office and her ruthless killing of Alice is any indicator then the plot will be built around how that character knows more than she has revealed. Who is she really answering to and how is she involved? Perhaps its simply a US govt clean up because of the connection with this research program and military personnel? So cleaning up the loose ends is the 'profilers' job? Hence she wants to keep Emily close to her? Oh and damn fine shot with a hand gun from that distance to kill Alice. I'm not a gun expert but it sure looked like a substantial distance for her to get the shot right. Perhaps someone with expertise can enlighten if that shot was easily doable please? As to the production and or Directing, this episode didn't measure up to the previous two IMO. Thought that episodes 8 & 9 were better written and directed. For a season finale, this was disappointing and way too predictable with a zero cliffhanger to launch into another season. We did get the artsy directors shot of the Burns family against the backdrop of the desolate snowscape though! But no doubt young Flynn is going to be one messed up young man when he discovers what has been done to him and now his step mother has been killed. A lot for a child to deal with when he already has had more than his fair share of traumas. Then there's poor Jack who thought he could find happiness with his brother in laws wife-yep that was always a winning possibility! So if there's a S3, Jack will be sliding off the rails and let's hope Nick doesn't find out anything about the affair-or Flynn! Getting into soap writing if they continue let alone the nonsensical human experimentation with Emily as the blood host. Did we get anything more about Warren? Funny how Alice mentioned him in the flashback therapy session. Funny how Nick picked her up on mentioning him-that was a breadcrumb for Warren being more involved in the research program. On a lighter note. Damn wonderful cell phone coverage in the snow covered wilderness outside 'Boston' when Nick could receive all those calls! No black spots in Boston obviously!
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Post by temple01uk on May 30, 2019 12:13:52 GMT
Why did the profiler kill Alice, it was a good shot for anyone but for essentially a back room agent it was very impressive, she turned up with no back up and at that stage there was no reason for the shot but I suppose killing her was better than a protracted trial and a neat end to her storyline. In a case like this what happens next, no prisoners to bring to the courts, can they back track through the paperwork and arrest some folks from Catalyst who must have been in on the abuse through the various stages. The profiler was an odd choice to take over a big field office, I had my doubts about her as well but she does not seem to have been involved in the main plot.
Warrens involvement was never explained and really needs to be as he and Alice seem to indicated that they knew more than was revealed about his actions and knowledge of events.
A season 3 would be good, the effects of this season on Nick, Flynn and Emily will be profound so there is a story there to complete plus there still remain many unanswered questions about the whole case.
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Post by alwaysafan on May 30, 2019 13:49:11 GMT
Why did the profiler kill Alice, it was a good shot for anyone but for essentially a back room agent it was very impressive, she turned up with no back up and at that stage there was no reason for the shot but I suppose killing her was better than a protracted trial and a neat end to her storyline. In a case like this what happens next, no prisoners to bring to the courts, can they back track through the paperwork and arrest some folks from Catalyst who must have been in on the abuse through the various stages. The profiler was an odd choice to take over a big field office, I had my doubts about her as well but she does not seem to have been involved in the main plot. Warrens involvement was never explained and really needs to be as he and Alice seem to indicated that they knew more than was revealed about his actions and knowledge of events. A season 3 would be good, the effects of this season on Nick, Flynn and Emily will be profound so there is a story there to complete plus there still remain many unanswered questions about the whole case. I would like to see another season. I need closure. But it would be next year or longer.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 30, 2019 14:26:40 GMT
It Was Alice!!! She shot the therapist then fled. She also started off by being Nick's therapist!! The begining of the ep started with Crown telling Emily off and that she has to answer for what happened to Tommy and also in Moldavia., that he cant protect her. Jack rings Alice at home and she says they are over. Jack tells her he was better with her. Then he quietly tells her off. FBI are busy trying to crack the encrypted files of the therapist, there are 7 years of them.... then Cal, and Emily go to a building that starts off underground..... and find more boxes of files from Catalyst Diagnostics. A file included is that of Laurie.... Nick at home tells Alice that therapist is dead.....she then flashback to uni days and he was her mentor re brain development, and she said to therapist as teacher that she wants to help kids like she used to be....he offered her a job. FBI; Profiler tells Crown to take job back in the field, ie he's demoted for how he's handled the case, plus Nick.... Profiler will take over as boss. At Durands,.....Alice tells Nick they need to go camping as a family. . . . . . . . FBI are searching through the therapists files for evidence and start finding things....Cal rings Nick. More Alice flashbacks......Flynn being injected for 7 years......Emily says only two who couldve known were Nick and Alice. Back camping....Alice suddenly says she's sick....will go back home.....which she does, and clears out files and uncovers gun from safe. Emily learns from phone records that therapist called Alice over and over and the above scene happened prior to Emily seeing Alice at hospital.... Alice shoots therapist, then leaves. Emily from FBI rings Nick and tells of Alice and regular blood tests for Flynn....Nick dosnt really believe. FBI keep treking Alice's phone.... Alice gets home, then gets cab, and flashes back to toddler Flynn after Emily disappeared, and mentions Warren, and Nick asks how does she know Warren? Alice was Nick's therapist in the beginning. Emily finds Alice. Both have guns trained on each other. Alice asks Emily to let her go. Emily does, but not before ensuring Alice never sees Flynn again. Alice agrees. Alice says she killed therapist to protect Flynn. Emily says she did it to protect herself. Alice is shot. The profiler shot her. Alice is dead. Nick and Flynn are found by Emily......who we gather tells them the news (no dialogue). I hope there is a season 3 for Warren to admit what he knows/knew., and to continue Emily and..... All in all a brilliant final ep for Season 2, topped by the Accomplice Being Alice. Possible correction on Alice. Don't believe she returns to the home from camping. The scene of her clearing out files and finding a gun were a flashback to just before she bumped into Emily in the hospital. She was clearing any incriminating evidence from the therapists office and then used the gun to kill him.The flashback scenes were at times challenging to distinguish from a RT scene, aside from more obvious ones such as a much younger Flynn. I couldnt really tell if Alice went home or the therapists offfice, mainly because in the prior ep, Nick said that the therapist had cleaned it out. So seeing Alice getting into the safe, i couldnt tell exactly if it was the therapists office, or her own., but then again knowing what we guessed all along, its quite probable that she had keys herself to the safe; or, after she killed the therapist, she took his keys to open the safe. Also, because the scenes were both flashback and present time, I couldnt really tell for certain what time frame Alice was at the safe. I also thought it plausible for Alice if she cleaned out the therapists office, to take all the files and gun, and put it in the home one(if they had one), as I then thought that Nick had no idea of her involvement, and probably wouldnt look in their own safe if they had one. Even with the flashbacks v present time, with us being shown in which order it happened, I couldnt be sure as to where the safe was. The obvious flashback scene/s were with young Flynn, and she was counselling Nick
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 30, 2019 14:38:21 GMT
It Was Alice!!! She shot the therapist then fled. She also started off by being Nick's therapist!! The begining of the ep started with Crown telling Emily off and that she has to answer for what happened to Tommy and also in Moldavia., that he cant protect her. Jack rings Alice at home and she says they are over. Jack tells her he was better with her. Then he quietly tells her off. FBI are busy trying to crack the encrypted files of the therapist, there are 7 years of them.... then Cal, and Emily go to a building that starts off underground..... and find more boxes of files from Catalyst Diagnostics. A file included is that of Laurie.... Nick at home tells Alice that therapist is dead.....she then flashback to uni days and he was her mentor re brain development, and she said to therapist as teacher that she wants to help kids like she used to be....he offered her a job. FBI; Profiler tells Crown to take job back in the field, ie he's demoted for how he's handled the case, plus Nick.... Profiler will take over as boss. At Durands,.....Alice tells Nick they need to go camping as a family. . . . . . . . FBI are searching through the therapists files for evidence and start finding things....Cal rings Nick. More Alice flashbacks......Flynn being injected for 7 years......Emily says only two who couldve known were Nick and Alice. Back camping....Alice suddenly says she's sick....will go back home.....which she does, and clears out files and uncovers gun from safe. Emily learns from phone records that therapist called Alice over and over and the above scene happened prior to Emily seeing Alice at hospital.... Alice shoots therapist, then leaves. Emily from FBI rings Nick and tells of Alice and regular blood tests for Flynn....Nick dosnt really believe. FBI keep treking Alice's phone.... Alice gets home, then gets cab, and flashes back to toddler Flynn after Emily disappeared, and mentions Warren, and Nick asks how does she know Warren? Alice was Nick's therapist in the beginning. Emily finds Alice. Both have guns trained on each other. Alice asks Emily to let her go. Emily does, but not before ensuring Alice never sees Flynn again. Alice agrees. Alice says she killed therapist to protect Flynn. Emily says she did it to protect herself. Alice is shot. The profiler shot her. Alice is dead. Nick and Flynn are found by Emily......who we gather tells them the news (no dialogue). I hope there is a season 3 for Warren to admit what he knows/knew., and to continue Emily and..... All in all a brilliant final ep for Season 2, topped by the Accomplice Being Alice. OMG, I was right about Alice! And I agreed with you, as it was the most plausible answer. Theres also the scene when Alice got frightened when Nick tells her that Flynn dosnt need any more therapy.... Well when theres a 3rd season - and I hope there is - that Warren finally admits what he knows; that the profilers shooting at a distance without knowing if whether or not Alice was armed...... will be investigated. I also wonder if the profiler could also be involved. I did enjoy the boss Crown being removed as he deserved it; Nick will himself need therapy, and Flynn no doubt more to cope with what Alice did, and if Emily will get involved with Cal as he understands her (to a point). I also had the thought that perhaps the profiler wanted Emily to stay, so profiler to check/oversee her to see if she remembers anything else from her past ie flashbacks. Im not 100% convinced that the profiler is not involved. I need more. Also re the flashback scene Alice with young Flynn with Nick, she asked about Warren. Nick picked up on that and asked how she knew of him, so they probably hadnt yet met, ie Alice and Nick probably werent dating then as she was his therapist.....
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 30, 2019 14:40:09 GMT
Many thanks Syd for the run down of the episode, I will try to watch this evening. Youre very welcome for the run down of the ep, Temple.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 30, 2019 14:55:23 GMT
Why did the profiler kill Alice, it was a good shot for anyone but for essentially a back room agent it was very impressive, she turned up with no back up and at that stage there was no reason for the shot but I suppose killing her was better than a protracted trial and a neat end to her storyline. In a case like this what happens next, no prisoners to bring to the courts, can they back track through the paperwork and arrest some folks from Catalyst who must have been in on the abuse through the various stages. The profiler was an odd choice to take over a big field office, I had my doubts about her as well but she does not seem to have been involved in the main plot. Warrens involvement was never explained and really needs to be as he and Alice seem to indicated that they knew more than was revealed about his actions and knowledge of events. A season 3 would be good, the effects of this season on Nick, Flynn and Emily will be profound so there is a story there to complete plus there still remain many unanswered questions about the whole case. I have a suspicion that the profiler could also be involved, because, she standing too far away, it was night time, and she probably couldnt see if whethre Alice had a gun or not, and maybe profiler didnt want Alice to name profiler, if she is indeed involved. Another thought is that if profiler is innocent, then maybe the killing of Alice could be career move? I totally agree that Warren's involvement wasnt explained and I think is essential to the plot. I also think it would be a great idea for Nick to apologise again for giving up searching for Emily all those years ago too soon, as thats also been a major plot point. I also noticed that in the flashback scene Alice, Nick and young Flynn, she asked about Warren, and immediately Nick picked up on that., as I gather she hadnt yet met him, ie she and Nick wernt yet dating as she was his therapist.... I totally agree that a season 3 is needed to explain all the above.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on May 30, 2019 14:57:36 GMT
Why did the profiler kill Alice, it was a good shot for anyone but for essentially a back room agent it was very impressive, she turned up with no back up and at that stage there was no reason for the shot but I suppose killing her was better than a protracted trial and a neat end to her storyline. In a case like this what happens next, no prisoners to bring to the courts, can they back track through the paperwork and arrest some folks from Catalyst who must have been in on the abuse through the various stages. The profiler was an odd choice to take over a big field office, I had my doubts about her as well but she does not seem to have been involved in the main plot. Warrens involvement was never explained and really needs to be as he and Alice seem to indicated that they knew more than was revealed about his actions and knowledge of events. A season 3 would be good, the effects of this season on Nick, Flynn and Emily will be profound so there is a story there to complete plus there still remain many unanswered questions about the whole case. I would like to see another season. I need closure. But it would be next year or longer. I agree about wanting another season.....but I hope not too long a wait...
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Post by latte on May 31, 2019 0:34:45 GMT
Small detail that puzzles me and perhaps someone can explain it to me? Alice was shot in the back, from a considerable distance with a handgun. It took seconds before blood appeared on her chest, despite her being shot in the back. Now of course a bullet can travel through the body and even exit out at some point. But given there was no exit of the bullet from the back through to the chest then how was there blood appearing on Alice's chest? That would mean there was a wound because of the bullet exiting her body. If the bullet did exit her body then it would have struck Emily because she was standing close to her. Details like this that make no sense annoy the crap out of me!
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Post by jnorton45 on Jun 19, 2019 21:05:08 GMT
Nice twist. Ending tied everything up properly. Story line is complete. Well done. They can go into a new season with a clean slate and sort of a new story line.
Every enjoyable.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 20, 2019 13:37:29 GMT
Nice twist. Ending tied everything up properly. Story line is complete. Well done. They can go into a new season with a clean slate and sort of a new story line. Every enjoyable. Did you have an/any idea of who the accomplice was? ie Mrs? and esp re juniour?
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Post by jnorton45 on Jun 20, 2019 13:52:29 GMT
^^^NO
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 20, 2019 14:20:50 GMT
Were you surprised/shocked by it?
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Post by crosscastle on Jun 20, 2019 14:40:40 GMT
Was it really Alice?,profiler has more info insight
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Post by temple01uk on Jun 20, 2019 14:58:48 GMT
Indeed, there must have been more people involved, what of Catalyst?, did they really know nothing and as you say the profiler was very strange and a very good shot.Warren also appeared to know more than he revealed as well as did Valarie before she died, the story is very good but far from complete.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 25, 2019 13:04:35 GMT
I am very very curious/astounded as to why only a few people have commented on the fact that Alice was an Accomplice, and also for years helped/injected Flynn since he was 3. Emily and Nick trusted her. Nick loved her and married her, after he presumed (wrongly) that Emily was dead. I thought Alice's actions would be a major discussion point, but it isnt. Alice is/was a major cast member, and surely her actions need discussing?
The whole story was centred upon Emily after she was found by Nick/other FBI agents after the tip off. Alice being involved is another - yet connected part of the story, the same as introduction of Emily's birth mother, Valerie Chandris (Penny Downie), even though she was soon killed off, it was still a major part/component of the story. As are Alice's actions. Alice's actions continued/explained what happened in Season 1, when Flynn fought with another child. Yet no-one is discussing Alice allowing/assisting/injecting Flynn with the same drug that allows/causes violence. That profound scene was shown included in flashbacks, that were part of the final ep. Yet not many have discussed it.,since streaming started.
Plus the fact that with a possible Season 3, it will be part of the storyline re how the entire family deal with it, plus the FBI profiler shooting Alice from a (great) distance, from behind, not seeing if whether Alice was armed or not. Yet not many have discussed it. I am curious as to why not.
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Post by latte on Jun 25, 2019 22:55:59 GMT
I am very very curious/astounded as to why only a few people have commented on the fact that Alice was an Accomplice, and also for years helped/injected Flynn since he was 3. Emily and Nick trusted her. Nick loved her and married her, after he presumed (wrongly) that Emily was dead. I thought Alice's actions would be a major discussion point, but it isnt. Alice is/was a major cast member, and surely her actions need discussing? The whole story was centred upon Emily after she was found by Nick/other FBI agents after the tip off. Alice being involved is another - yet connected part of the story, the same as introduction of Emily's birth mother, Valerie Chandris (Penny Downie), even though she was soon killed off, it was still a major part/component of the story. As are Alice's actions. Alice's actions continued/explained what happened in Season 1, when Flynn fought with another child. Yet no-one is discussing Alice allowing/assisting/injecting Flynn with the same drug that allows/causes violence. That profound scene was shown included in flashbacks, that were part of the final ep. Yet not many have discussed it.,since streaming started. Plus the fact that with a possible Season 3, it will be part of the storyline re how the entire family deal with it, plus the FBI profiler shooting Alice from a (great) distance, from behind, not seeing if whether Alice was armed or not. Yet not many have discussed it. I am curious as to why not. Agree with most of your sentiments here Syd, but the more curious factor is the lack of any discussion on the show. Clearly the staggered international release has not helped the cause in terms of building momentum from one episode (week) to another as the programming is all over the place literally. Shows can take time to attract loyal fans and perhaps Absentia needs more time and a S3 to show evidence of a solid fanbase prepared to chat about the show? Who knows but I'm not seeing evidence of increased SM followers for Stana and that means it's basically her old Castle fans following her to the next project whatever it is. You make very pertinent points about Alice being a very knowing enabler of the insidious plot line. Essentially Flynn was a guinea pig in an experiment which had already shown results so unpredictable and with violent side effects that the US military ceased supporting it. Clearly she was under the spell of the therapist and he probably convinced her that he knew better and that he could make the drug work for the benefit of others. But the big drug company is probably behind the clean up operation that led to the deaths of the test subjects-or is it something even bigger than that? I find myself thinking of the Lokstat rabbit hole and how the writers didnt know when to stop. Is Absentia falling into that rabbit hole too? But they have left a number of writing threads to pull if they venture into a S3. I've made my view clear that I hope they pull the plug now. In fact, the end of S1 was a good place to stop as well. But they will probably stretch it further into the FBI profiler being involved somehow and who knows about Cal and his background. Bottom line is that no character can be truly trusted to be loyal to Emily. Her father, was portrayed as loving one moment and angry at her the next. Her brother will be tested with the death of Alice and could hit his previous demons again. Nick is a loser in any way you look. He has compromised his professional reputation and his personal life is a disaster. Flynn will be beyond a mess as he learns of his step mothers betrayal. Plus from a production view they have the challenge of the actor looking way too old for the timeframe in the storytelling. For those who are enjoying it I hope you get the answers you seek. For the rest of us, I hope that Stana's tease about a new project mean something substantial and not another small scale indie.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 26, 2019 14:07:02 GMT
I am very very curious/astounded as to why only a few people have commented on the fact that Alice was an Accomplice, and also for years helped/injected Flynn since he was 3. Emily and Nick trusted her. Nick loved her and married her, after he presumed (wrongly) that Emily was dead. I thought Alice's actions would be a major discussion point, but it isnt. Alice is/was a major cast member, and surely her actions need discussing? The whole story was centred upon Emily after she was found by Nick/other FBI agents after the tip off. Alice being involved is another - yet connected part of the story, the same as introduction of Emily's birth mother, Valerie Chandris (Penny Downie), even though she was soon killed off, it was still a major part/component of the story. As are Alice's actions. Alice's actions continued/explained what happened in Season 1, when Flynn fought with another child. Yet no-one is discussing Alice allowing/assisting/injecting Flynn with the same drug that allows/causes violence. That profound scene was shown included in flashbacks, that were part of the final ep. Yet not many have discussed it.,since streaming started. Plus the fact that with a possible Season 3, it will be part of the storyline re how the entire family deal with it, plus the FBI profiler shooting Alice from a (great) distance, from behind, not seeing if whether Alice was armed or not. Yet not many have discussed it. I am curious as to why not. Agree with most of your sentiments here Syd, but the more curious factor is the lack of any discussion on the show. Clearly the staggered international release has not helped the cause in terms of building momentum from one episode (week) to another as the programming is all over the place literally. Shows can take time to attract loyal fans and perhaps Absentia needs more time and a S3 to show evidence of a solid fanbase prepared to chat about the show? Who knows but I'm not seeing evidence of increased SM followers for Stana and that means it's basically her old Castle fans following her to the next project whatever it is. You make very pertinent points about Alice being a very knowing enabler of the insidious plot line. Essentially Flynn was a guinea pig in an experiment which had already shown results so unpredictable and with violent side effects that the US military ceased supporting it. Clearly she was under the spell of the therapist and he probably convinced her that he knew better and that he could make the drug work for the benefit of others. But the big drug company is probably behind the clean up operation that led to the deaths of the test subjects-or is it something even bigger than that? I find myself thinking of the Lokstat rabbit hole and how the writers didnt know when to stop. Is Absentia falling into that rabbit hole too? But they have left a number of writing threads to pull if they venture into a S3. I've made my view clear that I hope they pull the plug now. In fact, the end of S1 was a good place to stop as well. But they will probably stretch it further into the FBI profiler being involved somehow and who knows about Cal and his background. Bottom line is that no character can be truly trusted to be loyal to Emily. Her father, was portrayed as loving one moment and angry at her the next. Her brother will be tested with the death of Alice and could hit his previous demons again. Nick is a loser in any way you look. He has compromised his professional reputation and his personal life is a disaster. Flynn will be beyond a mess as he learns of his step mothers betrayal. Plus from a production view they have the challenge of the actor looking way too old for the timeframe in the storytelling. For those who are enjoying it I hope you get the answers you seek. For the rest of us, I hope that Stana's tease about a new project mean something substantial and not another small scale indie. I do agree that the staggered release to different countries, may not been the right way to go, and that it probably shouldve been released all at once everywhere. I also hope that the show isnt venturing into Loksat territory re the military contractors, and the injections and so forth Hopefully season 3 if there is one, will explain all that hasnt been yet explained. I do think that a possible season 3 should delve into how Flynn, still a child, copes with the fact that his stepmother allowed/assisted in his injections; how will Nick cope with it all, plus the fact that he has been absent from life for much of the show; how will Warren cope with what happened with his beloved grandson being injected by Alice, and why; how will Emily cope with the new fact that Alice injected her son?; how will Jack cope with what Alice did to Flynn, And that she initiated the affair, then quickly as it started, she ended it; will FBI profiler be investigated re the shooting of Alice, from the distance, from behind, and at night. Plus the info Warren knows re Emily's past, and how he is getting on after his heart attack. Once these are answered, then perhaps the show can end. I do also agree that Warren also needs to be checked out re his Team Emily mostly, then, fighting her the next. Nick has definately compromised both his personal life and his professional one. He will need counselling just for that. Re Flynn again, I think its too late to change his casting. To do it now, would be a bit silly. They just need to get the time frame right, and also explain it/say it so its obvious by either obvious dialogue, or words on screen. If the intent or a possibility is to reunite Nick with Emily, then no. I prefer her with Cal. He understands trauma better, being in Iraq.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 29, 2019 13:58:39 GMT
As mentioned in ep 9, Ive just replayed eps 9 and 10 but in reverse. I also realise that the profiler didnt shoot Alice in complete darkness, because the rooftop floodlights were on. But I still maintain that the profiler is involved and killed Alice to shut her up. I also wonder if the profiler is an alias and the real profiler is somewhere else, because, as soon as she looked over the redacted/blacked out file of ? and the camera did a closeup of her, the scene then changed to the therapist.
The carbomb, also was a distraction, so that Cal and Emily didnt see who shot the therapist. And as I previously posted for ep 9, that either Catalyst were following Cal/Emily in the car, or the profiler bugged their car, so knew where they were going. As soon as Emily returned to the therapist after tying him up, spraying him and interrogating him, and Emily returned with Cal, the car bomb went off, so they didnt see who shot the therapist, so he was dead/unconscious before Emily returned and Cal arrived, because the car bomb going off, is what distracted them, from seeing who shot the therapist.....
Im wondering if the profiler is removing all the threats towards her/therapist. ie for the original female serial killer Laurie/Jordon, to be alias the journalist, its quite feasible for the profiler that we know of, not to be the profiler. The profiler dosnt know what the therapist admitted to before he was shot.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jun 29, 2019 15:00:42 GMT
Oh my goodness.....Ive just realised yet another Castle similarity.......
Castle had 4? characters named Jordan.: FBI Jordan Shaw; The Teen Spirit girl who 'moved objects'...was Jordan, plus a male from the adult phone conversation company in Season 3 or 4 was also a Jordan, but I cant remember the 4th.
And now Absentia.....serial killer alias journalist....Jordan/Laurie.
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Post by jbs6 on Jul 3, 2019 21:46:27 GMT
I am very very curious/astounded as to why only a few people have commented on the fact that Alice was an Accomplice, and also for years helped/injected Flynn since he was 3. Emily and Nick trusted her. Nick loved her and married her, after he presumed (wrongly) that Emily was dead. I thought Alice's actions would be a major discussion point, but it isnt. Alice is/was a major cast member, and surely her actions need discussing? The whole story was centred upon Emily after she was found by Nick/other FBI agents after the tip off. Alice being involved is another - yet connected part of the story, the same as introduction of Emily's birth mother, Valerie Chandris (Penny Downie), even though she was soon killed off, it was still a major part/component of the story. As are Alice's actions. Alice's actions continued/explained what happened in Season 1, when Flynn fought with another child. Yet no-one is discussing Alice allowing/assisting/injecting Flynn with the same drug that allows/causes violence. That profound scene was shown included in flashbacks, that were part of the final ep. Yet not many have discussed it.,since streaming started. Plus the fact that with a possible Season 3, it will be part of the storyline re how the entire family deal with it, plus the FBI profiler shooting Alice from a (great) distance, from behind, not seeing if whether Alice was armed or not. Yet not many have discussed it. I am curious as to why not. I was among those who have not seen it coming (the smaller fraction, based on the reactions here and on twitter) I think they make a great job to create a grey situation where Alice can be considered as a manipulated and a manipulating woman. I tend to believe she was naive and manipulated by her mentor rather than an accomplice. I believed Alice in the final episode when she explained to she was not aware that her mentor was performing experiences on Emily I still don't know whether Flynn has been injected or not. He was closely checked, but I'm note sure he was injected ... (although Flynn is suffering from violent episode) The character of Alice is interesting (especially in parallel to Emily). Alice took bad decisions in the past (she followed Nick and Flynn for the wrong reason, probably because the doctor told her they were an interesting family,she started a relation with Nick to pursue her "study") and also since Emily is back,. She is just lost (in season 1, we could believe that as a wife, she felt endangered by Emil's return, but it was probably more than that) and when she felt insecure, she just makes bad choices (She did not reveal that Flynn was under investigation to Emily and Nick. She is having an affair without realising the consequences for Jack. She became an accomplice when the doctor asked her to collect his medical file. And then lie after lie, she killed the doctor (she was probably panicking, thinking that kiling him may save her) and then realised that she is losing everything ... She is not strong enough to stand for her actions and decide to run away. Simultaneously, we follow Emily who is trying to take back the control of her life. She is strong but also carefully assessing how hurt and dangerous she can be? She is carefully considering her behavior and her actions. She doesn't want to take any risk with Flynn (and with Tommy). We now know thta she has something more. She is biologically more capable to deal with traumatic situations and stress. The difference between the two woman is interesting. Emily is insecure and doesn't trust herself and decides to have less social interactions. She is her own priority. She wants to work on herself and doesn't care much about her social appearance. But she is dealing (by all means (legal or illegal)) with her traumas. Alice is also extremely insecure.We understand that her childhood was difficult (like Emily) and the reappearance of Emily is difficult to process. She was able to create a family (Emily's family) and is considered a perfect wife and mother. But she felt she is not enough (Nick is not helping) and she is unable to deal with this feeling. When the psy told her to find activities for herself to feel better, she just look for confort in the arms of Jack. She seems not to be able to deal with her problem by herself. Her mistakes are hunting her and her reactions are getting more and more insensitive, and she is making more and more mistakes. The progression towards a dramatic ending is beautifully shown. She is unable to deal with the situation. It's going to kill her (leaving her family or dying may not be different). I was more suspicious of Alice in season 1, but at the end, I think the two seasons complete each other. I'm nit even sure Alice is dead (but I guess the arc of her character is essentially finished so ...) (Sorry for the english, I hope it's readable (at least partially !)) No need to say I really enjoyed this season 2 !!!
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jul 4, 2019 14:06:26 GMT
I am very very curious/astounded as to why only a few people have commented on the fact that Alice was an Accomplice, and also for years helped/injected Flynn since he was 3. Emily and Nick trusted her. Nick loved her and married her, after he presumed (wrongly) that Emily was dead. I thought Alice's actions would be a major discussion point, but it isnt. Alice is/was a major cast member, and surely her actions need discussing? The whole story was centred upon Emily after she was found by Nick/other FBI agents after the tip off. Alice being involved is another - yet connected part of the story, the same as introduction of Emily's birth mother, Valerie Chandris (Penny Downie), even though she was soon killed off, it was still a major part/component of the story. As are Alice's actions. Alice's actions continued/explained what happened in Season 1, when Flynn fought with another child. Yet no-one is discussing Alice allowing/assisting/injecting Flynn with the same drug that allows/causes violence. That profound scene was shown included in flashbacks, that were part of the final ep. Yet not many have discussed it.,since streaming started. Plus the fact that with a possible Season 3, it will be part of the storyline re how the entire family deal with it, plus the FBI profiler shooting Alice from a (great) distance, from behind, not seeing if whether Alice was armed or not. Yet not many have discussed it. I am curious as to why not. I was among those who have not seen it coming (the smaller fraction, based on the reactions here and on twitter) I think they make a great job to create a grey situation where Alice can be considered as a manipulated and a manipulating woman. I tend to believe she was naive and manipulated by her mentor rather than an accomplice. I believed Alice in the final episode when she explained to she was not aware that her mentor was performing experiences on Emily I still don't know whether Flynn has been injected or not. He was closely checked, but I'm note sure he was injected ... (although Flynn is suffering from violent episode) The character of Alice is interesting (especially in parallel to Emily). Alice took bad decisions in the past (she followed Nick and Flynn for the wrong reason, probably because the doctor told her they were an interesting family,she started a relation with Nick to pursue her "study") and also since Emily is back,. She is just lost (in season 1, we could believe that as a wife, she felt endangered by Emil's return, but it was probably more than that) and when she felt insecure, she just makes bad choices (She did not reveal that Flynn was under investigation to Emily and Nick. She is having an affair without realising the consequences for Jack. She became an accomplice when the doctor asked her to collect his medical file. And then lie after lie, she killed the doctor (she was probably panicking, thinking that kiling him may save her) and then realised that she is losing everything ... She is not strong enough to stand for her actions and decide to run away. Simultaneously, we follow Emily who is trying to take back the control of her life. She is strong but also carefully assessing how hurt and dangerous she can be? She is carefully considering her behavior and her actions. She doesn't want to take any risk with Flynn (and with Tommy). We now know thta she has something more. She is biologically more capable to deal with traumatic situations and stress. The difference between the two woman is interesting. Emily is insecure and doesn't trust herself and decides to have less social interactions. She is her own priority. She wants to work on herself and doesn't care much about her social appearance. But she is dealing (by all means (legal or illegal)) with her traumas. Alice is also extremely insecure.We understand that her childhood was difficult (like Emily) and the reappearance of Emily is difficult to process. She was able to create a family (Emily's family) and is considered a perfect wife and mother. But she felt she is not enough (Nick is not helping) and she is unable to deal with this feeling. When the psy told her to find activities for herself to feel better, she just look for confort in the arms of Jack. She seems not to be able to deal with her problem by herself. Her mistakes are hunting her and her reactions are getting more and more insensitive, and she is making more and more mistakes. The progression towards a dramatic ending is beautifully shown. She is unable to deal with the situation. It's going to kill her (leaving her family or dying may not be different). I was more suspicious of Alice in season 1, but at the end, I think the two seasons complete each other. I'm nit even sure Alice is dead (but I guess the arc of her character is essentially finished so ...) (Sorry for the english, I hope it's readable (at least partially !)) No need to say I really enjoyed this season 2 !!! First off, many many thanks for your response. Very much appreciated. I like your line of they made a great job of creating a grey area whereas Alice is both manipulated and manipulating. She may have been naive re her mentor, but she wasnt naive re initiating the affair with Nick. That was a deliberate act on her behalf, and on her own choosing. She simply shouldnt have done it. She shouldnt have done it in general, and certainly not with Jack. Nick may not have been there emotionally , but she still shouldnt have initiated the affair, and with Jack. Re Flynn being injected, we saw that he was via the flashbacks in the last ep for s2 ie 10, and he fought that boy in season 1 too. I also liked your observations re the parallel characterisations on Emily and Alice., in fact I never noticed it, so kudos to you for picking up on that!. To me, Alice was jealous of Emily, being the birth mother of Flynn, and thinking back to the first ep, when Nick got the phone call re the Emily being alive tipoff , as soon as Nick left, the camera did a closeup on Alice's face, and I remember thinking at the time, did she know what te call was about? Alice feigned sleep during the call, but as soon as he got out of bed/left, her eyes opened. In ep 10 of season 2, Alice's life was fast unravelling, and you could see that she was panicking. She wasnt strong emotionally, but I think she thought/believed that she was. I also think that she believed she was better than Emily. Emily, was terrified of her flashbacks, and scared of what she may do to Flynn and was so careful to be ok around him. She was definately scared, even terrified of liking Tommy too much., so she in the end, lashed out when he found her truth serum. She also felt extremely guilty and sorry for attacking Tommy. I agree that Emily is insecure and dosnt trust herself., and all she wants is the truth. I totally agree with your final paragraph and it is stated very well, as all your paragraphs are. I understand every word you say. I definately also enjoyed season 2! and enjoyed it more than season 1. While season 2 was more fast paced and there were additional characters, it really added to the story. Again, many thanks for your extremely well thought response to my query. Its much appreciated. Im also very glad that you enjoyed season 2.
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Post by jbs6 on Jul 4, 2019 14:51:06 GMT
Another aspect that I enjoyed is the treatment of "the damage is done" story It became very clear that Emily is alone to deal with her trauma (and its long-lasting damage). No one can really help her and the message from her relative is essentialy "you have to get over it". But she can't and it's isolating her. I first was also suprised by how Emily was different in the beginning of season 2. But I think it's the point of this season: she is different from what she was, she is different from the others. And what was puzzling initially makes sense for me gradually, and then I enjoyed to have been tricked to not understand the shift in personnality. That's how her relative were reacting. Her behavior was not easy to accept, she was not behaving as expected. At the end, I found it very well done ... What is interesting also is that her trauma is getting shut down by outside events and the life of the others (Nick asks her to take care of Flynn because he is at work, Jack is dealing with frustration about his medical carreer, her father is just concerned by her meeting with her biological and his anger is probably just a loyal reaction to his wife, the one who educated Emily, Nick has problem with his job (he has to lie) and his wife, Alice is sad to learn she won't have any child). The only one who seems to care is Tommy. Another one who seems to understand (for obvious reason) is Flynn. They know they are different and the scene where Emily and Flynn acknowledge their difficulties was really important, imo. So I also felt it was extremely clever to show that her relatives want to get over it, make it simple, find a new equilibrium and just forget what happened to her. In the same time, she is just stuck and locked in her vision. The fact that the delay between season 1 and 2 are not clearly defined is also an aspect that bother me intially. But again, I guess the message is, there is no defined, no "socially acceptable" time to recover. It's not time-dependent. It's the journey you have to do. No one should take into account the time already spent to recover. You need the time you need ...
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Jul 4, 2019 15:04:17 GMT
Another aspect that I enjoyed is the treatment of "the damage is done" story It became very clear that Emily is alone to deal with her trauma (and its long-lasting damage). No one can really help her and the message from her relative is essentialy "you have to get over it". But she can't and it's isolating her. I first was also suprised by how Emily was different in the beginning of season 2. But I think it's the point of this season: she is different from what she was, she is different from the others. And what was puzzling initially makes sense for me gradually, and then I enjoyed to have been tricked to not understand the shift in personnality. That's how her relative were reacting. Her behavior was not easy to accept, she was not behaving as expected. At the end, I found it very well done ... What is interesting also is that her trauma is getting shut down by outside events and the life of the others (Nick asks her to take care of Flynn because he is at work, Jack is dealing with frustration about his medical carreer, her father is just concerned by her meeting with her biological and his anger is probably just a loyal reaction to his wife, the one who educated Emily, Nick has problem with his job (he has to lie) and his wife, Alice is sad to learn she won't have any child). The only one who seems to care is Tommy. Another one who seems to understand (for obvious reason) is Flynn. They know they are different and the scene where Emily and Flynn acknowledge their difficulties was really important, imo. So I also felt it was extremely clever to show that her relatives want to get over it, make it simple, find a new equilibrium and just forget what happened to her. In the same time, she is just stuck and locked in her vision. The fact that the delay between season 1 and 2 are not clearly defined is also an aspect that bother me intially. But again, I guess the message is, there is no defined, no "socially acceptable" time to recover. It's not time-dependent. It's the journey you have to do. No one should take into account the time already spent to recover. You need the time you need ... Kudos again jbs6, kudos. Excellent analysis. I also liked your term of the time difference not being time-dependant., ...'that its the journey you have to do..........You need the time you need...' A very pertinent thought.
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Post by jbs6 on Jul 5, 2019 21:16:31 GMT
Re Flynn being injected, we saw that he was via the flashbacks in the last ep for s2 ie 10, and he fought that boy in season 1 too. Thanks for that I thought it was a blood sampling but not an injection I will check again
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