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Post by jnorton45 on Oct 18, 2018 17:40:47 GMT
A point of interest or two. There is a big difference between what the entertainment industry calls a review and what writers and critics call criticism. Reviews generally provide some kind of recap of the reviewed item with some general statements about the script/actor/performance. A criticism tends to be very specific noting shot comings in some detail, why the critic has an issue with an element, and how an author/actor/director might improve. Examples from other parts of a genre are usual. Good points of the product are brought up as examples of how the current author etc. is capable of improving.
That said. The posting from the Writers of the Roundtable falls more in the criticism lane rather than a review. Heavy detail concerning the character/story/content is what brings these comments into criticism. That specific issues are mentioned with examples of how to improve also puts these posting in the criticism camp. A mature writer/actor/director what have you would be eager to get this sort of information. Nobody is obliged to use it, but it gives them an insight as to how the audience saw/heard/read the content they provided. It is rare and gratifying to get such input for free. Usually you end up paying someone big bucks to tear you work apart.
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Post by wrigleycity on Oct 18, 2018 19:22:41 GMT
Where do you find these sites??? 5 wannabe "writers" who all happen to be women sit and critique a show online? What, they were bored with Pintrest, and Grey Anatomy wasn't on so they decided to do this? #whatajoke As usual you are too busy trolling to pay even the slightest attention to what is actually going on. I didn't find this site, someone else did and posted an incorrect link. I also pointed out how overtly political the post on the site was (thereby potentially invalidating what they're saying for many people), also making clear that I had no comment to make on it, since I didn't watch the show. Good job with your overtly sexist reaction to it, however. Most trolls at least try a little bit to not be so blatantly obvious about it. Whoa! I was actually asking a legit question. "How did you find this site?" Not to you, but whomever found the site. I am continually amazed at the great lengths those on this board with clear and present agendas go to make their point. Also, you call me sexist? Look at the site's authors carefully. All women. Where's the token male reviewer? #offended
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Post by crosscastle on Oct 18, 2018 19:36:24 GMT
I found it from a tweet from Mariane ,who used to post on ABC Board.Not sure about Quasar?
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Post by veritas on Oct 18, 2018 19:41:24 GMT
As usual you are too busy trolling to pay even the slightest attention to what is actually going on. I didn't find this site, someone else did and posted an incorrect link. I also pointed out how overtly political the post on the site was (thereby potentially invalidating what they're saying for many people), also making clear that I had no comment to make on it, since I didn't watch the show. Good job with your overtly sexist reaction to it, however. Most trolls at least try a little bit to not be so blatantly obvious about it. Whoa! I was actually asking a legit question. "How did you find this site?" Not to you, but whomever found the site. I am continually amazed at the great lengths those on this board with clear and present agendas go to make their point. Also, you call me sexist? Look at the site's authors carefully. All women. Where's the token male reviewer? #offended Tamper the aggressive tone and keep the sexism away from here. Thank you.
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Post by wrigleycity on Oct 18, 2018 20:16:25 GMT
My bad Mod! Sorry for the aggressive tone.
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Post by veritas on Oct 18, 2018 21:21:41 GMT
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Post by lily on Oct 18, 2018 21:38:20 GMT
I watched the pilot and really enjoyed it. My husband enjoyed it as well. We will continue to watch.
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Post by latte on Oct 18, 2018 22:14:14 GMT
I've read comments about the odd/inappropriate place (expensive) on the beach that Nolan is living in. Is it true? Can a LAPD rookie afford that? Is there a backstory that explains it?
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 1:44:12 GMT
The link you gave wasn't quite right; here it is. No idea who these people (all women) are. Many of the comments were very overtly political, so their obvious distaste for the show might not translate to those with different views. I have no comment, since I didn't watch the show, and am not going to in the future (I've made no secret of the fact that I find Fillion to be a mediocre-at-best actor, and way below mediocre in the last couple of seasons of Castle and the guest appearances on Modern Family). I assume the "Writes of the Roundtable" (Writes, not Writers) is a play on "Knights of the Roundtable." Where do you find these sites??? 5 wannabe "writers" who all happen to be women sit and critique a show online? What, they were bored with Pintrest, and Grey Anatomy wasn't on so they decided to do this? #whatajoke If you followed the entire thread, you'd have seen it started with me and I clearly said I saw it on Twitter and was unfamiliar with it. NYer simply corrected my link and title of the group. As to why the post on a blog, well, why do we post here? At least they explain their opinions and seem reasonable in the judgements. One of the women is a former police officer so I thought her comments were particularly interesting to read.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 2:01:27 GMT
A point of interest or two. There is a big difference between what the entertainment industry calls a review and what writers and critics call criticism. Reviews generally provide some kind of recap of the reviewed item with some general statements about the script/actor/performance. A criticism tends to be very specific noting shot comings in some detail, why the critic has an issue with an element, and how an author/actor/director might improve. Examples from other parts of a genre are usual. Good points of the product are brought up as examples of how the current author etc. is capable of improving. That said. The posting from the Writers of the Roundtable falls more in the criticism lane rather than a review. Heavy detail concerning the character/story/content is what brings these comments into criticism. That specific issues are mentioned with examples of how to improve also puts these posting in the criticism camp. A mature writer/actor/director what have you would be eager to get this sort of information. Nobody is obliged to use it, but it gives them an insight as to how the audience saw/heard/read the content they provided. It is rare and gratifying to get such input for free. Usually you end up paying someone big bucks to tear you work apart. Excellent description. Anyone who's seen a manuscript after an editor gets to it knows exactly what you mean. I prefer using critique rather than criticism for evaluations of books, shows, films, art etc., because criticism has the connotation of something negative in popular use. Traditionally, both should analyze what's both good and bad about an work, looking at and commenting on both positive and negative aspects. Are you a writer, jnorton? You sound like one.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 2:05:45 GMT
As usual you are too busy trolling to pay even the slightest attention to what is actually going on. I didn't find this site, someone else did and posted an incorrect link. I also pointed out how overtly political the post on the site was (thereby potentially invalidating what they're saying for many people), also making clear that I had no comment to make on it, since I didn't watch the show. Good job with your overtly sexist reaction to it, however. Most trolls at least try a little bit to not be so blatantly obvious about it. Whoa! I was actually asking a legit question. "How did you find this site?" Not to you, but whomever found the site. I am continually amazed at the great lengths those on this board with clear and present agendas go to make their point. Also, you call me sexist? Look at the site's authors carefully. All women. Where's the token male reviewer? #offended Legit? If so, you would have addressed your question to me and dropped the commentary and hashtag. You need to develop more finesse to carry off this charade.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 2:08:51 GMT
I found it from a tweet from Mariane ,who used to post on ABC Board.Not sure about Quasar? Mariana (a not e at the end)? Could have been. I was following tweets from one person to another when I saw it. Thanks.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 2:15:47 GMT
I watched the pilot and really enjoyed it. My husband enjoyed it as well. We will continue to watch. I broke down and watched it this morning over breakfast via Roku. I'm glad you enjoyed it. For me it was a lot of work to get through it and doing it again is out of the question. Please keep posting. I'm left wondering if the Lucy Chen character will last. Seems to me that once her relationship with Nolan is exposed, one of them will have to go and of course it'll have to be her. Most police departments don't allow dating within units/precincts where the partners are likely to work together. So keep us posted. Thanks.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 2:39:56 GMT
I've read comments about the odd/inappropriate house (expensive) on the beach that Nolan is living in. Is it true? Can a LAPD rookie afford that? Is there a backstory that explains it? He's supposedly renting it from a friend with no explanation. I think it's supposed to be the "small" perhaps one bedroom guest house on the property but even considering that it could fetch a monthly rent of $10,000 or more with its location right on the Pacific (there are houses on the waterfront that rent for $800,000 a month, no joke). So it's either a very good friend he's renting from (and living off of) or he made a ton of money from his small-town construction business, which other than being divorced and having a couple of years of pre-law college (but no degree) is the only backstory the first ep gives about Nolan. And, no, a LAPD rookie could not afford that even though their post-Academy entering salary at $65,000 + benefits isn't too bad except for the fact that LA is super expensive to live in. One of my takeaways from TR pilot was how little insight in gave to any of the characters except for the standard things like sad divorced man starts new life, son of big man in LAPD excels in Academy but gets scared on the street, black sergeant is extra tough, woman captain is understated and understanding. Compared to Castle's pilot it's no contest. I felt I knew both Kate's and Rick's essence after that first hour. TR 1-1 was a jumbled mess. I don't see how they can get out of it without major changes.
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Post by everyonesfriend on Oct 19, 2018 4:16:26 GMT
I've read comments about the odd/inappropriate house (expensive) on the beach that Nolan is living in. Is it true? Can a LAPD rookie afford that? Is there a backstory that explains it? He's supposedly renting it from a friend with no explanation. I think it's supposed to be the "small" perhaps one bedroom guest house on the property but even considering that it could fetch a monthly rent of $10,000 or more with its location right on the Pacific (there are houses on the waterfront that rent for $800,000 a month, no joke). So it's either a very good friend he's renting from (and living off of) or he made a ton of money from his small-town construction business, which other than being divorced and having a couple of years of pre-law college (but no degree) is the only backstory the first ep gives about Nolan. And, no, a LAPD rookie could not afford that even though their post-Academy entering salary at $65,000 + benefits isn't too bad except for the fact that LA is super expensive to live in. One of my takeaways from TR pilot was how little insight in gave to any of the characters except for the standard things like sad divorced man starts new life, son of big man in LAPD excels in Academy but gets scared on the street, black sergeant is extra tough, woman captain is understated and understanding. Compared to Castle's pilot it's no contest. I felt I knew both Kate's and Rick's essence after that first hour. TR 1-1 was a jumbled mess. I don't see how they can get out of it without major changes.Â
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Post by everyonesfriend on Oct 19, 2018 4:17:04 GMT
Did Nathan learn how to kiss yet??
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Post by terry303 on Oct 19, 2018 4:41:22 GMT
Did Nathan learn how to kiss yet?? Noooo!!!! His kissing scene is just awful. I guess because there is no chemistry with this actress.
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Post by latte on Oct 19, 2018 6:48:06 GMT
A point of interest or two. There is a big difference between what the entertainment industry calls a review and what writers and critics call criticism. Reviews generally provide some kind of recap of the reviewed item with some general statements about the script/actor/performance. A criticism tends to be very specific noting shot comings in some detail, why the critic has an issue with an element, and how an author/actor/director might improve. Examples from other parts of a genre are usual. Good points of the product are brought up as examples of how the current author etc. is capable of improving. That said. The posting from the Writers of the Roundtable falls more in the criticism lane rather than a review. Heavy detail concerning the character/story/content is what brings these comments into criticism. That specific issues are mentioned with examples of how to improve also puts these posting in the criticism camp. A mature writer/actor/director what have you would be eager to get this sort of information. Nobody is obliged to use it, but it gives them an insight as to how the audience saw/heard/read the content they provided. It is rare and gratifying to get such input for free. Usually you end up paying someone big bucks to tear you work apart. Excellent description. Anyone who's seen a manuscript after an editor gets to it knows exactly what you mean. I prefer using critique rather than criticism for evaluations of books, shows, films, art etc., because criticism has the connotation of something negative in popular use. Traditionally, both should analyze what's both good and bad about an work, looking at and commenting on both positive and negative aspects. Are you a writer, jnorton? You sound like one. Oooh good work Detective! JNorton, you've been outed!
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Post by latte on Oct 19, 2018 6:49:04 GMT
I watched the pilot and really enjoyed it. My husband enjoyed it as well. We will continue to watch. Lily, glad you enjoyed it. It's great to have you posting.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 6:50:36 GMT
Did Nathan learn how to kiss yet?? Noooo!!!! His kissing scene is just awful. I guess because there is no chemistry with this actress. Agree. LOL Except for the fact that it was on/near the lips it was all very brotherly. And the way they held hands when they were sitting on the patio … well, I don't have the words for it. In the pilot their relationship is only two months old, yet he behaves as though it's about two years too long. Melissa O'Neil shows a new love better than he does, but overall I'd say chemistry is sincerely lacking. Another odd thing is that the pilot starts nine months (get the hint about rebirth there? did it hit you over the head with a sledgehammer in its subtlety?) after the first scene at the bank robbery on the day his divorce is finalized. He's sad, despondent, really down. He doesn't know who he is, doesn't know what he wants in the future. Yet seven months later, he starts a new relationship with someone supposed to be significantly younger than him, in fact far closer to his son's age than his, while struggling through the police academy.
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Post by latte on Oct 19, 2018 6:50:57 GMT
I've read comments about the odd/inappropriate house (expensive) on the beach that Nolan is living in. Is it true? Can a LAPD rookie afford that? Is there a backstory that explains it? He's supposedly renting it from a friend with no explanation. I think it's supposed to be the "small" perhaps one bedroom guest house on the property but even considering that it could fetch a monthly rent of $10,000 or more with its location right on the Pacific (there are houses on the waterfront that rent for $800,000 a month, no joke). So it's either a very good friend he's renting from (and living off of) or he made a ton of money from his small-town construction business, which other than being divorced and having a couple of years of pre-law college (but no degree) is the only backstory the first ep gives about Nolan. And, no, a LAPD rookie could not afford that even though their post-Academy entering salary at $65,000 + benefits isn't too bad except for the fact that LA is super expensive to live in. One of my takeaways from TR pilot was how little insight in gave to any of the characters except for the standard things like sad divorced man starts new life, son of big man in LAPD excels in Academy but gets scared on the street, black sergeant is extra tough, woman captain is understated and understanding. Compared to Castle's pilot it's no contest. I felt I knew both Kate's and Rick's essence after that first hour. TR 1-1 was a jumbled mess. I don't see how they can get out of it without major changes. Thanks for the trouble in responding with such detail. So basically its a pretty unrealistic plot? Did see comments that it was a very Rick Castle kind of lifestyle! Some things they can't let go of it seems....
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 6:52:50 GMT
Excellent description. Anyone who's seen a manuscript after an editor gets to it knows exactly what you mean. I prefer using critique rather than criticism for evaluations of books, shows, films, art etc., because criticism has the connotation of something negative in popular use. Traditionally, both should analyze what's both good and bad about an work, looking at and commenting on both positive and negative aspects. Are you a writer, jnorton? You sound like one. Oooh good work Detective! JNorton, you've been outed! Oops, did I let the cat out of the bag? Sorry, jnorton.
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Post by latte on Oct 19, 2018 6:55:52 GMT
Oooh good work Detective! JNorton, you've been outed! Oops, did I let the cat out of the bag? Sorry, jnorton. We''ll keep it a secret between the two of us!
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 7:19:19 GMT
He's supposedly renting it from a friend with no explanation. I think it's supposed to be the "small" perhaps one bedroom guest house on the property but even considering that it could fetch a monthly rent of $10,000 or more with its location right on the Pacific (there are houses on the waterfront that rent for $800,000 a month, no joke). So it's either a very good friend he's renting from (and living off of) or he made a ton of money from his small-town construction business, which other than being divorced and having a couple of years of pre-law college (but no degree) is the only backstory the first ep gives about Nolan. And, no, a LAPD rookie could not afford that even though their post-Academy entering salary at $65,000 + benefits isn't too bad except for the fact that LA is super expensive to live in. One of my takeaways from TR pilot was how little insight in gave to any of the characters except for the standard things like sad divorced man starts new life, son of big man in LAPD excels in Academy but gets scared on the street, black sergeant is extra tough, woman captain is understated and understanding. Compared to Castle's pilot it's no contest. I felt I knew both Kate's and Rick's essence after that first hour. TR 1-1 was a jumbled mess. I don't see how they can get out of it without major changes. Thanks for the trouble in responding with such detail. So basically its a pretty unrealistic plot? Did see comments that it was a very Rick Castle kind of lifestyle! Some things they can't let go of it seems.... You're welcome. I found it very unrealistic throughout and in a much more disturbing or distracting way than for Castle. On the latter, once you suspended disbelief that the NYPD would ever allow a civilian mystery writer to join a squad of homicide detectives, it was easy to overlook the rest of the unbelievable parts. At least for me, they didn't interfere with the overall arc of show or (for the most part) with individual stories (negating the LokSat stuff). The unit fit. In just the pilot of TR, there are too many ridiculous discrepancies to even attempt to suspend disbelief. There's the age problem of the actors playing the roles, there's the harassment from at least two senior officers against the rookies, the beach house thing, the badly portrayed romance between Nolan and Chen (only thing good there was how it was introduced, but the set-up for that was again unbelievable). And overriding all of that was the first day the rookies experienced. First day rookies may be allowed to take first crack at breaking up a bar fight or getting a kitty out of a tree, but they are not brought in as sole backup in a major shootout with assault weapons. They are not put forth to talk down a crazed man with a baseball bat in the middle of a traffic jam caused by an accident. They are not the ones chosen to talk to a couple in the middle of a domestic fight. And what rookie got to do all those things. Yep, Nolan aka Nathan. As I write this, I've realized that that's what's wrong with TR. It seems as though both Hawley and Nathan are using it as Revenge of Castle (queue in the horror film music). There are references to Castle and Stana in this pilot. 1) The guy with the baseball bat shouts something about a unicorn to Nolan to which Nolan says he's trained to take care of unicorns or something like that. Whose fans call who a unicorn? 2) In some car scenes, Nolan drives. No training officer lets a rookie drive the first day. That's a privilege, an honor, that has to be earned. A jab at Beckett not letting Castle drive? 3) Nolan saves the day in every single instance, knowing exactly what to say to whom and when to say it. Yet there's nothing that suggests he would have this ability and no need to see it all in the first 42 minutes of the show unless the goal was to wipe out any vestige of thinking someone (Beckett) was in charge.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Oct 19, 2018 8:55:51 GMT
Thanks for the trouble in responding with such detail. So basically its a pretty unrealistic plot? Did see comments that it was a very Rick Castle kind of lifestyle! Some things they can't let go of it seems.... You're welcome. I found it very unrealistic throughout and in a much more disturbing or distracting way than for Castle. On the latter, once you suspended disbelief that the NYPD would ever allow a civilian mystery writer to join a squad of homicide detectives, it was easy to overlook the rest of the unbelievable parts. At least for me, they didn't interfere with the overall arc of show or (for the most part) with individual stories (negating the LokSat stuff). The unit fit. In just the pilot of TR, there are too many ridiculous discrepancies to even attempt to suspend disbelief. There's the age problem of the actors playing the roles, there's the harassment from at least two senior officers against the rookies, the beach house thing, the badly portrayed romance between Nolan and Chen (only thing good there was how it was introduced, but the set-up for that was again unbelievable). And overriding all of that was the first day the rookies experienced. First day rookies may be allowed to take first crack at breaking up a bar fight or getting a kitty out of a tree, but they are not brought in as sole backup in a major shootout with assault weapons. They are not put forth to talk down a crazed man with a baseball bat in the middle of a traffic jam caused by an accident. They are not the ones chosen to talk to a couple in the middle of a domestic fight. And what rookie got to do all those things. Yep, Nolan aka Nathan. As I write this, I've realized that that's what's wrong with TR. It seems as though both Hawley and Nathan are using it as Revenge of Castle (queue in the horror film music). There are references to Castle and Stana in this pilot. 1) The guy with the baseball bat shouts something about a unicorn to Nolan to which Nolan says he's trained to take care of unicorns or something like that. Whose fans call who a unicorn? 2) In some car scenes, Nolan drives. No training officer lets a rookie drive the first day. That's a privilege, an honor, that has to be earned. A jab at Beckett not letting Castle drive? 3) Nolan saves the day in every single instance, knowing exactly what to say to whom and when to say it. Yet there's nothing that suggests he would have this ability and no need to see it all in the first 42 minutes of the show unless the goal was to wipe out any vestige of thinking someone (Beckett) was in charge. lol are you serious? Coming up with ridiculous conspiracy theories. Literally anything to put the show down. Why are you even hate-watching the show if you have no interest in it. Literally no one is talking about these things other than you. So you can't even use the word unicorn now. I didn't know it was patented to one person!!
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Oct 19, 2018 12:22:50 GMT
Thanks for the trouble in responding with such detail. So basically its a pretty unrealistic plot? Did see comments that it was a very Rick Castle kind of lifestyle! Some things they can't let go of it seems.... You're welcome. I found it very unrealistic throughout and in a much more disturbing or distracting way than for Castle. On the latter, once you suspended disbelief that the NYPD would ever allow a civilian mystery writer to join a squad of homicide detectives, it was easy to overlook the rest of the unbelievable parts. At least for me, they didn't interfere with the overall arc of show or (for the most part) with individual stories (negating the LokSat stuff). The unit fit. In just the pilot of TR, there are too many ridiculous discrepancies to even attempt to suspend disbelief. There's the age problem of the actors playing the roles, there's the harassment from at least two senior officers against the rookies, the beach house thing, the badly portrayed romance between Nolan and Chen (only thing good there was how it was introduced, but the set-up for that was again unbelievable). And overriding all of that was the first day the rookies experienced. First day rookies may be allowed to take first crack at breaking up a bar fight or getting a kitty out of a tree, but they are not brought in as sole backup in a major shootout with assault weapons. They are not put forth to talk down a crazed man with a baseball bat in the middle of a traffic jam caused by an accident. They are not the ones chosen to talk to a couple in the middle of a domestic fight. And what rookie got to do all those things. Yep, Nolan aka Nathan. As I write this, I've realized that that's what's wrong with TR. It seems as though both Hawley and Nathan are using it as Revenge of Castle (queue in the horror film music). There are references to Castle and Stana in this pilot. 1) The guy with the baseball bat shouts something about a unicorn to Nolan to which Nolan says he's trained to take care of unicorns or something like that. Whose fans call who a unicorn? 2) In some car scenes, Nolan drives. No training officer lets a rookie drive the first day. That's a privilege, an honor, that has to be earned. A jab at Beckett not letting Castle drive? 3) Nolan saves the day in every single instance, knowing exactly what to say to whom and when to say it. Yet there's nothing that suggests he would have this ability and no need to see it all in the first 42 minutes of the show unless the goal was to wipe out any vestige of thinking someone (Beckett) was in charge. Many many thanks Quasar for your review. It seems the reviews are sparse. Ive only seen a handful since the rookie premiered, yet with Castle mainly in its heyday and from s6-7, there were plenty of them for the week of the ep, as I used to read the abc board Viewing Parties, then wait for Canada to see it, then from New York to LA and it took me many hours to get through them all, and that was for each of the 24 eps. With the rookie theres a stark difference. Also many thanks for your observation re the similar Castle dialogue and plot points.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Oct 19, 2018 12:36:43 GMT
Noooo!!!! His kissing scene is just awful. I guess because there is no chemistry with this actress. Agree. LOL Except for the fact that it was on/near the lips it was all very brotherly. And the way they held hands when they were sitting on the patio … well, I don't have the words for it. In the pilot their relationship is only two months old, yet he behaves as though it's about two years too long. Melissa O'Neil shows a new love better than he does, but overall I'd say chemistry is sincerely lacking. Another odd thing is that the pilot starts nine months (get the hint about rebirth there? did it hit you over the head with a sledgehammer in its subtlety?) after the first scene at the bank robbery on the day his divorce is finalized. He's sad, despondent, really down. He doesn't know who he is, doesn't know what he wants in the future. Yet seven months later, he starts a new relationship with someone supposed to be significantly younger than him, in fact far closer to his son's age than his, while struggling through the police academy. Many thanks for this Quasar - its much appreciated. Brilliant observation re the analogy re the 9 months/rebirth..... also interesting re a bank robbery in the rookie first ep....ie Castles Cops and Robbers infamous ep of s4....
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Post by jnorton45 on Oct 19, 2018 13:25:48 GMT
ABC executives are the real audience that will determine the success or failure of TR. The show has been put in the network’s blackest work week hole, Tuesday at 10. That is the grave yard for scripted shows. All TR has to do is maintain their current ratings and TPTB will be very happy. TR will get 2, maybe 3 seasons. Everyone will make nice money for the gig.
TR will not be must see tv or at the top of anyone’s filmography, if the show can maintain those ratings everyone will be happy. If they slip, ABC will cut them loose in a heartbeat. There is another pilot waiting. But, the demand for content on streaming video is going nowhere but up.
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Post by lurker on Oct 19, 2018 13:50:04 GMT
Did Nathan learn how to kiss yet?? Don't forget the thumbs.
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Post by quasar on Oct 19, 2018 17:15:42 GMT
You're welcome. I found it very unrealistic throughout and in a much more disturbing or distracting way than for Castle. On the latter, once you suspended disbelief that the NYPD would ever allow a civilian mystery writer to join a squad of homicide detectives, it was easy to overlook the rest of the unbelievable parts. At least for me, they didn't interfere with the overall arc of show or (for the most part) with individual stories (negating the LokSat stuff). The unit fit. In just the pilot of TR, there are too many ridiculous discrepancies to even attempt to suspend disbelief. There's the age problem of the actors playing the roles, there's the harassment from at least two senior officers against the rookies, the beach house thing, the badly portrayed romance between Nolan and Chen (only thing good there was how it was introduced, but the set-up for that was again unbelievable). And overriding all of that was the first day the rookies experienced. First day rookies may be allowed to take first crack at breaking up a bar fight or getting a kitty out of a tree, but they are not brought in as sole backup in a major shootout with assault weapons. They are not put forth to talk down a crazed man with a baseball bat in the middle of a traffic jam caused by an accident. They are not the ones chosen to talk to a couple in the middle of a domestic fight. And what rookie got to do all those things. Yep, Nolan aka Nathan. As I write this, I've realized that that's what's wrong with TR. It seems as though both Hawley and Nathan are using it as Revenge of Castle (queue in the horror film music). There are references to Castle and Stana in this pilot. 1) The guy with the baseball bat shouts something about a unicorn to Nolan to which Nolan says he's trained to take care of unicorns or something like that. Whose fans call who a unicorn? 2) In some car scenes, Nolan drives. No training officer lets a rookie drive the first day. That's a privilege, an honor, that has to be earned. A jab at Beckett not letting Castle drive? 3) Nolan saves the day in every single instance, knowing exactly what to say to whom and when to say it. Yet there's nothing that suggests he would have this ability and no need to see it all in the first 42 minutes of the show unless the goal was to wipe out any vestige of thinking someone (Beckett) was in charge. lol are you serious? Coming up with ridiculous conspiracy theories. Literally anything to put the show down. Why are you even hate-watching the show if you have no interest in it. Literally no one is talking about these things other than you. So you can't even use the word unicorn now. I didn't know it was patented to one person!! Actually I was being a tad facetious in my second paragraph, hence the "queue in the horror film music" remark. Sorry you didn't catch that. But, yes, the word unicorn used by the nutcase with the bat did stand out for me. Blame some Fillionaires for that one. As I posted elsewhere on this forum, I curiosity-watched, which means I was interested. As for no one else talking about these things, I'm always happy to learn I'm independent minded, but in this case several critics did mention some of the things I brought up.
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