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Post by castlefan1212 on Oct 30, 2018 12:43:37 GMT
This is too good to pass up......Ive just discovered that the ep title for the 3rd ep is.......none other than............ The Good the Bad and the Ugly.................(dont forget that the infamous Castle Baby ep was........The Good the Bad and the Baby...........). Ive also learnt in last couple days that the ep title for 2nd ep is.........Crash Course.......in which Nolan keeps crashing the car or is an erratic driver.....and a comment Ive seen is its no wonder on Castle that he wasnt allowed to drive...... AND......another comment Ive read is that fillion does plenty of running as Nolan. Plus fillion has said that when they do the running scenes, he has to do 30 takes...... Interesting......As I thought he didnt want/or preferred not to do more than 1 take per scene.....so was his prefering not to/reticence mainly to annoy Just a thought.You know? You don't have to compare EVERYTHING to castle. No one does apart from disgruntled castle fans. The two shows are as different as chalk and cheese. The only thing that is the same is the genre!!
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Post by notfanatic on Oct 30, 2018 19:15:17 GMT
He sure got it right...when he wanted too. On and off camera. Wrigleycity, Your a troll from the JCINK The Loft board where they have absolutely no facts about anything! The biggest ABC's hit ever like Fillon's fans used to say about The Rookie turned to be the worst ABC show in ratings so in what way Wrigleycity can show his disappointment because of that? He knows the only one way and we all see how much angry he is because of TR failure. The lower ratings the bigger the frustration will be so he will make more agressive comments here. It's obvious.
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Post by wrigleycity on Oct 30, 2018 19:31:02 GMT
Wrigleycity, Your a troll from the JCINK The Loft board where they have absolutely no facts about anything! The biggest ABC's hit ever like Fillon's fans used to say about The Rookie turned to be the worst ABC show in ratings so in what way Wrigleycity can show his disappointment because of that? He knows the only one way and we all see how much angry he is because of TR failure. The lower ratings the bigger the frustration will be so he will make more agressive comments here. It's obvious. JCINK??? Not sure what that is. So, TR is not a "failure". Not by a long shot. (You must be new here.) The show is doing well, and will continue to do well through the course of the season. ABC is running ads for this left and right and the +3 numbers continue to trend up. Now, remind me, what were Absentia's rating? That's right. Bulgaria is not tracked by Nielsen. Lucky you!
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Post by notfanatic on Oct 30, 2018 19:59:24 GMT
The biggest ABC's hit ever like Fillon's fans used to say about The Rookie turned to be the worst ABC show in ratings so in what way Wrigleycity can show his disappointment because of that? He knows the only one way and we all see how much angry he is because of TR failure. The lower ratings the bigger the frustration will be so he will make more agressive comments here. It's obvious. JCINK??? Not sure what that is. So, TR is not a "failure". Not by a long shot. (You must be new here.) The show is doing well, and will continue to do well through the course of the season. ABC is running ads for this left and right and the +3 numbers continue to trend up. Now, remind me, what were Absentia's rating? That's right. Bulgaria is not tracked by Nielsen. Lucky you! TR is doing "well"? Well,then good luck for it to do better and better in the same way every week. And who need to know about +3? Not advertisers, it's for sure.
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Post by veritas on Oct 30, 2018 21:20:30 GMT
Posts have been removed here that were inappropriate. Comments of a sexist nature will not be tolerated. This applies also to unsubstantiated comments regarding an actor who is not even a part of the Rookie cast. The need to resort to that level of commentary speaks more of the poster and is not welcome here.
A warning has been issued for the member who has posted the inappropriate content. Members should familiarise themselves with the report function in the menu items under the cog shaped icon.
Please continue the discussion about The Rookie and try to stay on the content of that show here.
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Post by kitkat on Oct 30, 2018 21:32:11 GMT
The biggest ABC's hit ever like Fillon's fans used to say about The Rookie turned to be the worst ABC show in ratings so in what way Wrigleycity can show his disappointment because of that? He knows the only one way and we all see how much angry he is because of TR failure. The lower ratings the bigger the frustration will be so he will make more agressive comments here. It's obvious. JCINK??? Not sure what that is. So, TR is not a "failure". Not by a long shot. (You must be new here.) The show is doing well, and will continue to do well through the course of the season. ABC is running ads for this left and right and the +3 numbers continue to trend up. Now, remind me, what were Absentia's rating? That's right. Bulgaria is not tracked by Nielsen. Lucky you! I'm 100% sure you do. You can deny it all you want.
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Post by latte on Oct 31, 2018 0:49:24 GMT
Did Nathan learn how to kiss yet?? will not comment on thumbs.. will not comment on thumbs...will not comment on thumbs..
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Post by latte on Oct 31, 2018 0:52:22 GMT
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Post by latte on Oct 31, 2018 1:02:01 GMT
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Post by quasar on Oct 31, 2018 5:58:25 GMT
You're right about the eps, but seeing these scenes once was enough for me. :):) Big mistake by the writer and director in the scene with the little boy. The dialog had already established it was 90 degrees outside and the kid was locked in a car. He was unconscious when they got to him. Nolan should have rushed him into the closest air-conditioned place. He likely would not have regained consciousness in 90 degrees. In these two eps and these gifs, you can see Nathan is relying on what I call his mugging. His expressions don't convey any real emotions to me. Even when he "cried" with the little boy, the scene screamed 'acting' to me.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Oct 31, 2018 7:01:01 GMT
You're right about the eps, but seeing these scenes once was enough for me. :):) Big mistake by the writer and director in the scene with the little boy. The dialog had already established it was 90 degrees outside and the kid was locked in a car. He was unconscious when they got to him. Nolan should have rushed him into the closest air-conditioned place. He likely would not have regained consciousness in 90 degrees. In these two eps and these gifs, you can see Nathan is relying on what I call his mugging. His expressions don't convey any real emotions to me. Even when he "cried" with the little boy, the scene screamed 'acting' to me. What is "mugging" exactly?
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Oct 31, 2018 10:36:42 GMT
You're right about the eps, but seeing these scenes once was enough for me. :):) Big mistake by the writer and director in the scene with the little boy. The dialog had already established it was 90 degrees outside and the kid was locked in a car. He was unconscious when they got to him. Nolan should have rushed him into the closest air-conditioned place. He likely would not have regained consciousness in 90 degrees. In these two eps and these gifs, you can see Nathan is relying on what I call his mugging. His expressions don't convey any real emotions to me. Even when he "cried" with the little boy, the scene screamed 'acting' to me. What is "mugging" exactly? Acting silly deliberately/grinning for the heck of it in closeup /having silly expression on face for closeup. ie in short, preferring to be the centre of attention.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Oct 31, 2018 10:46:00 GMT
This is too good to pass up......Ive just discovered that the ep title for the 3rd ep is.......none other than............ The Good the Bad and the Ugly.................(dont forget that the infamous Castle Baby ep was........The Good the Bad and the Baby...........). Ive also learnt in last couple days that the ep title for 2nd ep is.........Crash Course.......in which Nolan keeps crashing the car or is an erratic driver.....and a comment Ive seen is its no wonder on Castle that he wasnt allowed to drive...... AND......another comment Ive read is that fillion does plenty of running as Nolan. Plus fillion has said that when they do the running scenes, he has to do 30 takes...... Interesting......As I thought he didnt want/or preferred not to do more than 1 take per scene.....so was his prefering not to/reticence mainly to annoy Just a thought.You know? You don't have to compare EVERYTHING to castle. No one does apart from disgruntled castle fans. The two shows are as different as chalk and cheese. The only thing that is the same is the genre!! Im an observant person. The Castle ep titles were mostly/quite often movie and tv show titles, or sayings. I just happened to notice that the rookies next ep was The Good the Bad and the Baby. Thats it. Its also well known that fillion quite often said he only does 1 take (or preferred to do only 1 take of scenes. Im not commenting on the GENRES as such, Castle being a dramedy and the rookie being..... Im just commenting like others here do.... Im not disgruntled excuse me, Im very disappointed in that the way Castle ended and that he wanted Stana out, so she wasnt asked to negotiate next contract., plus the way s8 was designed.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Oct 31, 2018 19:34:04 GMT
Just a thought.You know? You don't have to compare EVERYTHING to castle. No one does apart from disgruntled castle fans. The two shows are as different as chalk and cheese. The only thing that is the same is the genre!! Im an observant person. The Castle ep titles were mostly/quite often movie and tv show titles, or sayings. I just happened to notice that the rookies next ep was The Good the Bad and the Baby. Thats it. Its also well known that fillion quite often said he only does 1 take (or preferred to do only 1 take of scenes. Im not commenting on the GENRES as such, Castle being a dramedy and the rookie being..... Im just commenting like others here do.... Im not disgruntled excuse me, Im very disappointed in that the way Castle ended and that he wanted Stana out, so she wasnt asked to negotiate next contract., plus the way s8 was designed. There are several movies and show episode titles which is named "Good, bad and ugly" and it was relevant to the episode in question. Castle changed it to Good, bad and baby. TR kept it as it is. The original title (That TR used) has been used multiple times in the past and will likely be used numerous times later. Its not a special title reserved for only castle.
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Post by quasar on Oct 31, 2018 21:14:14 GMT
What is "mugging" exactly? Acting silly deliberately/grinning for the heck of it in closeup /having silly expression on face for closeup. ie in short, preferring to be the centre of attention. Thanks, Syd, for the help with the mugging definition. For me it means almost any uncalled for exaggerated expression, whether comedic or dramatic. In the early days of Castle, Nathan was as capable as any good actor/actress of achieving a nuanced expression that could flicker across his face providing the viewer with a glimpse of the inner thoughts or feelings of the character. As Castle progressed, imo his acting got sloppy and he started more and more to rely on a set of facial expressions - one for surprise, one for anger, etc - that he then exaggerated to the point that they were detrimental to the scene and character. In short, they took you out of the scene because it was so obviously acting the way an amateur does. I assumed he did it because he was bored with playing Rick Castle. But now he's doing it in TR in almost every scene. For example, he's supposed to pant when running to show his age, but Nathan pants from the beginning of the run like an asthmatic having an attack. Or when crying over the little boy who almost suffocated, he doesn't allow the scene to be about the child or their interaction at all. It's all about him because of the way he cries. In any case, that's what I've labeled "mugging" for lack of a better word. I think it's a shame because he used to be better than this.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 1, 2018 11:35:38 GMT
Im an observant person. The Castle ep titles were mostly/quite often movie and tv show titles, or sayings. I just happened to notice that the rookies next ep was The Good the Bad and the Baby. Thats it. Its also well known that fillion quite often said he only does 1 take (or preferred to do only 1 take of scenes. Im not commenting on the GENRES as such, Castle being a dramedy and the rookie being..... Im just commenting like others here do.... Im not disgruntled excuse me, Im very disappointed in that the way Castle ended and that he wanted Stana out, so she wasnt asked to negotiate next contract., plus the way s8 was designed. There are several movies and show episode titles which is named "Good, bad and ugly" and it was relevant to the episode in question. Castle changed it to Good, bad and baby. TR kept it as it is. The original title (That TR used) has been used multiple times in the past and will likely be used numerous times later. Its not a special title reserved for only castle. I quite well aware that The Good the Bad and the.......is not a special title reserved only for Castle. Ive also noted that NCIS also shares a few ep titles with Castle., one eg being In the Belly of the Beast. Murder He Wrote was a take on the old series Murder She Wrote.....
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 1, 2018 11:38:38 GMT
Acting silly deliberately/grinning for the heck of it in closeup /having silly expression on face for closeup. ie in short, preferring to be the centre of attention. Thanks, Syd, for the help with the mugging definition. For me it means almost any uncalled for exaggerated expression, whether comedic or dramatic. In the early days of Castle, Nathan was as capable as any good actor/actress of achieving a nuanced expression that could flicker across his face providing the viewer with a glimpse of the inner thoughts or feelings of the character. As Castle progressed, imo his acting got sloppy and he started more and more to rely on a set of facial expressions - one for surprise, one for anger, etc - that he then exaggerated to the point that they were detrimental to the scene and character. In short, they took you out of the scene because it was so obviously acting the way an amateur does. I assumed he did it because he was bored with playing Rick Castle. But now he's doing it in TR in almost every scene. For example, he's supposed to pant when running to show his age, but Nathan pants from the beginning of the run like an asthmatic having an attack. Or when crying over the little boy who almost suffocated, he doesn't allow the scene to be about the child or their interaction at all. It's all about him because of the way he cries. In any case, that's what I've labeled "mugging" for lack of a better word. I think it's a shame because he used to be better than this. You're very welcome Quasar. I agree with yours too, and very well expressed.
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Post by wrigleycity on Nov 1, 2018 13:41:26 GMT
Acting silly deliberately/grinning for the heck of it in closeup /having silly expression on face for closeup. ie in short, preferring to be the centre of attention. Thanks, Syd, for the help with the mugging definition. For me it means almost any uncalled for exaggerated expression, whether comedic or dramatic. In the early days of Castle, Nathan was as capable as any good actor/actress of achieving a nuanced expression that could flicker across his face providing the viewer with a glimpse of the inner thoughts or feelings of the character. As Castle progressed, imo his acting got sloppy and he started more and more to rely on a set of facial expressions - one for surprise, one for anger, etc - that he then exaggerated to the point that they were detrimental to the scene and character. In short, they took you out of the scene because it was so obviously acting the way an amateur does. I assumed he did it because he was bored with playing Rick Castle. But now he's doing it in TR in almost every scene. For example, he's supposed to pant when running to show his age, but Nathan pants from the beginning of the run like an asthmatic having an attack. Or when crying over the little boy who almost suffocated, he doesn't allow the scene to be about the child or their interaction at all. It's all about him because of the way he cries. In any case, that's what I've labeled "mugging" for lack of a better word. I think it's a shame because he used to be better than this. Thanks for watching and being a fan!
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 1, 2018 13:56:54 GMT
Ratings 0.8/3 4.53. Stable from last week, but the bottom of the 10 slot. TPTB at ABC are probably satisfied with this level of ratings. Tuesday’s 10 slot is a desert all around. That said, if these ratings slip any the show is in trouble. At some point TPTB will want better than TR is giving them. Can this show get above these ratings?
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Post by quasar on Nov 1, 2018 21:17:40 GMT
Thanks, Syd, for the help with the mugging definition. For me it means almost any uncalled for exaggerated expression, whether comedic or dramatic. In the early days of Castle, Nathan was as capable as any good actor/actress of achieving a nuanced expression that could flicker across his face providing the viewer with a glimpse of the inner thoughts or feelings of the character. As Castle progressed, imo his acting got sloppy and he started more and more to rely on a set of facial expressions - one for surprise, one for anger, etc - that he then exaggerated to the point that they were detrimental to the scene and character. In short, they took you out of the scene because it was so obviously acting the way an amateur does. I assumed he did it because he was bored with playing Rick Castle. But now he's doing it in TR in almost every scene. For example, he's supposed to pant when running to show his age, but Nathan pants from the beginning of the run like an asthmatic having an attack. Or when crying over the little boy who almost suffocated, he doesn't allow the scene to be about the child or their interaction at all. It's all about him because of the way he cries. In any case, that's what I've labeled "mugging" for lack of a better word. I think it's a shame because he used to be better than this. Thanks for watching and being a fan! Hardly. I watched the first two eps so I could talk about them. That's it for me. So no fanning there. As for Nathan, I've always said I liked him early in Castle (my first exposure to him) but came to dislike his acting and portrayal of Rick somewhere in the middle of the run and eventually came to dislike him personally (or as personally as one can determine from his interviews, comments, public persona, and SM). I do enjoy the spin you give my posts. Keep them up. I like to laugh.
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Post by quasar on Nov 1, 2018 21:22:56 GMT
Ratings 0.8/3 4.53. Stable from last week, but the bottom of the 10 slot. TPTB at ABC are probably satisfied with this level of ratings. Tuesday’s 10 slot is a desert all around. That said, if these ratings slip any the show is in trouble. At some point TPTB will want better than TR is giving them. Can this show get above these ratings? Stable, yes, but the rest of the ABC Tue lineup increased. THR
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 2, 2018 13:31:58 GMT
Ive just had a thought about the rookie and perhaps why not too many are enjoying/enamoured of it so far.....and yes I will compare Castle with it.
Castle was a multi-faceted show, a dramedy. There were multi-faceted relationships: Kate and Rick working together/Kate being forced to work with him/them learning about each other weekly; Then there was Kate and Captain Roy Montgomery, her boss and mentor, and father figure, plus Kate and her relationship with Espo and Ryan, ie her brothers in arms, plus Kate bein 2IC of Homicide; plus the relationship of Rick with his mother and daughter. In season 4 we were introduced to Captain Victoria Gates, and how she interracted with Kate, and her dislike/disdain of Rick.
fillion was the most well known of the actors, apart from Susan Sullivan, Reuben Santiago Hudson, then Penny Jerald johnsom. Stana was a relative unknown, but as Kate Beckett, from the Pilot, she became Co Lead., where she remained for 8 seasons. Plus Stana and fillion had amazing and magical chemistry from the Pilot.
With the rookie, no actors have the same calibre of the actors of Castle. There is no chemistry with any actors on the rookie, and certainly none with fillion and the girlfriend. Not many posters are posting their thoughts re the rookies eps thus far, here or elsewhere. No chemistry with any of the characters may be explained by not much posting/ratings. But this is just my opinion, based on reading., and watching Castle dvds.
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Post by quasar on Nov 2, 2018 18:21:13 GMT
Ive just had a thought about the rookie and perhaps why not too many are enjoying/enamoured of it so far.....and yes I will compare Castle with it. Castle was a multi-faceted show, a dramedy. There were multi-faceted relationships: Kate and Rick working together/Kate being forced to work with him/them learning about each other weekly; Then there was Kate and Captain Roy Montgomery, her boss and mentor, and father figure, plus Kate and her relationship with Espo and Ryan, ie her brothers in arms, plus Kate bein 2IC of Homicide; plus the relationship of Rick with his mother and daughter. In season 4 we were introduced to Captain Victoria Gates, and how she interracted with Kate, and her dislike/disdain of Rick. fillion was the most well known of the actors, apart from Susan Sullivan, Reuben Santiago Hudson, then Penny Jerald johnsom. Stana was a relative unknown, but as Kate Beckett, from the Pilot, she became Co Lead., where she remained for 8 seasons. Plus Stana and fillion had amazing and magical chemistry from the Pilot. With the rookie, no actors have the same calibre of the actors of Castle. There is no chemistry with any actors on the rookie, and certainly none with fillion and the girlfriend. Not many posters are posting their thoughts re the rookies eps thus far, here or elsewhere. No chemistry with any of the characters may be explained by not much posting/ratings. But this is just my opinion, based on reading., and watching Castle dvds. Those are valid points, although we do have to remember that Castle too struggled in its first season. To me the fundamental problem with The Rookie (through the two eps I've watched) is that (1) there's nothing new except Nolan's age difference and that's already run out of steam and (2) there's no one to care about, mostly because the set-up they've chosen is to tell, not show. We're told Nolan went through some sort of re-awakening after the bank robbery that begins the first ep, but we're not shown it. We're told he struggled through the Academy, but we're not shown it. And so on. The few things we are shown, like the one training officer's problem with a wife who's a drug addict on the streets, is actually shown too soon, before the character is developed as the super tough guy on the rookies. Aww, even the nasty TO gets pity. The result is that the show is just all too pat, too cliched. Even the victims of the crimes are tossed away into the I-don't-care bin since there's little follow-up with them or when there is it's all about Nolan, not the victim. That wouldn't be too bad if Nathan played Nolan as a deeper, more complex character but the viewer, by not having seen his transition from small town construction company owner to the beach-dwelling, know-it-all wise rookie, is left uncaring. The same can be said about his romance. The one thing Castle did superbly was to introduce and establish the characters as individuals first and only then in various relationships. You had time to get invested in the characters before having them pair up in different ways. TR presents it all as a fait accompli. It's a bit like seeing the preparation of a dinner from the gathering of the ingredients onward before getting to feast on it versus just having the full dinner plate put in front of you. I prefer the former.
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 2, 2018 18:51:01 GMT
^^^^The tell not show comments are critical insights. Showing would have developed Nolan fully. His struggle to overcome adversity would have gotten the audience to care for the character. It’s an all to common mistake.
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Post by latte on Nov 3, 2018 1:35:51 GMT
Ratings 0.8/3 4.53. Stable from last week, but the bottom of the 10 slot. TPTB at ABC are probably satisfied with this level of ratings. Tuesday’s 10 slot is a desert all around. That said, if these ratings slip any the show is in trouble. At some point TPTB will want better than TR is giving them. Can this show get above these ratings? Do they miss out next week due to midterms in the US?
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Post by latte on Nov 3, 2018 1:43:37 GMT
Did a little experiment and went to the trouble of finding (not easy) and posting some Rookie gifs for any fans here. Surprised to discover that there was not one 'like' for any of them. Find that interesting with the continued push from NF fans that he or his show don't get a fair hearing on this board. Mind you I've done the same on the Sundae Thread and posted NF gifs with zero response. It is what it is....
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Post by latte on Nov 3, 2018 2:02:06 GMT
Ive just had a thought about the rookie and perhaps why not too many are enjoying/enamoured of it so far.....and yes I will compare Castle with it. Castle was a multi-faceted show, a dramedy. There were multi-faceted relationships: Kate and Rick working together/Kate being forced to work with him/them learning about each other weekly; Then there was Kate and Captain Roy Montgomery, her boss and mentor, and father figure, plus Kate and her relationship with Espo and Ryan, ie her brothers in arms, plus Kate bein 2IC of Homicide; plus the relationship of Rick with his mother and daughter. In season 4 we were introduced to Captain Victoria Gates, and how she interracted with Kate, and her dislike/disdain of Rick. fillion was the most well known of the actors, apart from Susan Sullivan, Reuben Santiago Hudson, then Penny Jerald johnsom. Stana was a relative unknown, but as Kate Beckett, from the Pilot, she became Co Lead., where she remained for 8 seasons. Plus Stana and fillion had amazing and magical chemistry from the Pilot. With the rookie, no actors have the same calibre of the actors of Castle. There is no chemistry with any actors on the rookie, and certainly none with fillion and the girlfriend. Not many posters are posting their thoughts re the rookies eps thus far, here or elsewhere. No chemistry with any of the characters may be explained by not much posting/ratings. But this is just my opinion, based on reading., and watching Castle dvds. Those are valid points, although we do have to remember that Castle too struggled in its first season. To me the fundamental problem with The Rookie (through the two eps I've watched) is that (1) there's nothing new except Nolan's age difference and that's already run out of steam and (2) there's no one to care about, mostly because the set-up they've chosen is to tell, not show. We're told Nolan went through some sort of re-awakening after the bank robbery that begins the first ep, but we're not shown it. We're told he struggled through the Academy, but we're not shown it. And so on. The few things we are shown, like the one training officer's problem with a wife who's a drug addict on the streets, is actually shown too soon, before the character is developed as the super tough guy on the rookies. Aww, even the nasty TO gets pity. The result is that the show is just all too pat, too cliched. Even the victims of the crimes are tossed away into the I-don't-care bin since there's little follow-up with them or when there is it's all about Nolan, not the victim. That wouldn't be too bad if Nathan played Nolan as a deeper, more complex character but the viewer, by not having seen his transition from small town construction company owner to the beach-dwelling, know-it-all wise rookie, is left uncaring. The same can be said about his romance. The one thing Castle did superbly was to introduce and establish the characters as individuals first and only then in various relationships. You had time to get invested in the characters before having them pair up in different ways. TR presents it all as a fait accompli. It's a bit like seeing the preparation of a dinner from the gathering of the ingredients onward before getting to feast on it versus just having the full dinner plate put in front of you. I prefer the former. You have both made good points. Think it takes a really special character and writing to pull a viewer into a show. Cop shows, like medical shows, are a dime a dozen. So there are way too many shows to compare TR with both past and present. It's a tough market at the best of times but using that genre has you starting with a handicap IMO. I haven't seen TR, so can only go by snippets I've seen and read about it. But there was a storyline that appeared at odds with the actual theme of the show being about a recently divorced guy wanting to rediscover himself and that was the so called romance with a woman half his age. How was that necessary to the story? From what I've read it doesn't appear relevant at all. Indeed Hawley clearly reacted to the response to the early leaks of that GF age difference by adjusting the Nolan character age downwards and the GF upwards. LOL to see them do that in their media PR summaries. I know some don't like the comparisons with Castle, but that's the show that actually brought us all here after all! But if we look at the character of Beckett she was most definitely 'a mystery' with many 'layers' that got a viewer interested in her. There was no 'telling' us about who she was and her backstory. It was a slow reveal that was entwined with the episode writing and character development. But as the writing of Castle, IMO, weakened, they too fell for 'telling' the viewers what we could actually see. Remember those scenes where they would have someone repeat evidence or tell you what they were looking at? That's when, as a viewer, you can feel they are dumbing down the writing and heck all they had to add were subtitles to make sure you didn't miss something! So, is the writing of TR not in the elite class that say, Castle was, in its prime? There's a big gap between a good show and a great show and its usually the writing. Actors usually rise to the occasion of good writing-or they fall to the level given to them. Remember poor NF when he had to deliver that lame dialogue 'their there' while pointing towards the burning building? Cringe worthy writing can produce cringe worthy acting. So, given Hawley crucified Castle S8, is he repeating the effort for TR S1? Sometimes the Apprentice simply cannot ever be The Master.
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Post by quasar on Nov 3, 2018 7:04:30 GMT
Those are valid points, although we do have to remember that Castle too struggled in its first season. To me the fundamental problem with The Rookie (through the two eps I've watched) is that (1) there's nothing new except Nolan's age difference and that's already run out of steam and (2) there's no one to care about, mostly because the set-up they've chosen is to tell, not show. We're told Nolan went through some sort of re-awakening after the bank robbery that begins the first ep, but we're not shown it. We're told he struggled through the Academy, but we're not shown it. And so on. The few things we are shown, like the one training officer's problem with a wife who's a drug addict on the streets, is actually shown too soon, before the character is developed as the super tough guy on the rookies. Aww, even the nasty TO gets pity. The result is that the show is just all too pat, too cliched. Even the victims of the crimes are tossed away into the I-don't-care bin since there's little follow-up with them or when there is it's all about Nolan, not the victim. That wouldn't be too bad if Nathan played Nolan as a deeper, more complex character but the viewer, by not having seen his transition from small town construction company owner to the beach-dwelling, know-it-all wise rookie, is left uncaring. The same can be said about his romance. The one thing Castle did superbly was to introduce and establish the characters as individuals first and only then in various relationships. You had time to get invested in the characters before having them pair up in different ways. TR presents it all as a fait accompli. It's a bit like seeing the preparation of a dinner from the gathering of the ingredients onward before getting to feast on it versus just having the full dinner plate put in front of you. I prefer the former. You have both made good points. Think it takes a really special character and writing to pull a viewer into a show. Cop shows, like medical shows, are a dime a dozen. So there are way too many shows to compare TR with both past and present. It's a tough market at the best of times but using that genre has you starting with a handicap IMO. I haven't seen TR, so can only go by snippets I've seen and read about it. But there was a storyline that appeared at odds with the actual theme of the show being about a recently divorced guy wanting to rediscover himself and that was the so called romance with a woman half his age. How was that necessary to the story? From what I've read it doesn't appear relevant at all. Indeed Hawley clearly reacted to the response to the early leaks of that GF age difference by adjusting the Nolan character age downwards and the GF upwards. LOL to see them do that in their media PR summaries. I know some don't like the comparisons with Castle, but that's the show that actually brought us all here after all! But if we look at the character of Beckett she was most definitely 'a mystery' with many 'layers' that got a viewer interested in her. There was no 'telling' us about who she was and her backstory. It was a slow reveal that was entwined with the episode writing and character development. But as the writing of Castle, IMO, weakened, they too fell for 'telling' the viewers what we could actually see. Remember those scenes where they would have someone repeat evidence or tell you what they were looking at? That's when, as a viewer, you can feel they are dumbing down the writing and heck all they had to add were subtitles to make sure you didn't miss something! So, is the writing of TR not in the elite class that say, Castle was, in its prime? There's a big gap between a good show and a great show and its usually the writing. Actors usually rise to the occasion of good writing-or they fall to the level given to them. Remember poor NF when he had to deliver that lame dialogue 'their there' while pointing towards the burning building? Cringe worthy writing can produce cringe worthy acting. So, given Hawley crucified Castle S8, is he repeating the effort for TR S1? Sometimes the Apprentice simply cannot ever be The Master. Thanks. For someone who didn't watch any TR, your second paragraph is dead on. For me the interest level would have been much higher had the first few eps or even the first half of the season dealt with this transition in Nolan. What followed that bank robbery? How did he decide on LA? What was it like for him in the Academy? The Academy is the first testing ground for any police officer wannabe. How did he get through it? How did he recover from the divorce just months before that had made him so morose in the first few scenes that he could get involved again? What did she see in him? Without any of that covered, you're right that the romance is besides the point. The entire first two eps are at odds with the theme of the show. There is no development from construction head to police officer, from despairing over the end of his marriage to romancing a woman closer to his son's age, from small town guy to living the good life on the beach in LA. Probably Malibu from the looks of it. And it doesn't matter what Hawley tries to do with the age difference. Nathan clearly does not look or move like a 40 year-old and the actress playing Chen looks years younger than 30. The TR writing is definitely not in the same league as the first 3-4 seasons of Castle. Subtlety and slow reveal are not part of the equation on TR. The dialog too has little sparkle although to be fair it would be tough to replicate the banter between Kate and Rick, except for perhaps between Nolan and Chen, but again when they're together in the first two eps all they talk about is him, his day, his feelings and all that takes about three lines. If I had to write a review of TR, the headline would read The Rookie Is Blah and No, Nathan Doesn't Save It.
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Post by notfanatic on Nov 3, 2018 7:11:33 GMT
Did a little experiment and went to the trouble of finding (not easy) and posting some Rookie gifs for any fans here. Surprised to discover that there was not one 'like' for any of them. Find that interesting with the continued push from NF fans that he or his show don't get a fair hearing on this board. Mind you I've done the same on the Sundae Thread and posted NF gifs with zero response. It is what it is.... There is nothing surpising in that, Fillion's fans will NEVER like ANY your post here if your post won't be an "anti-Stana" post. The same is true about any Stana's fan here.
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Post by latte on Nov 3, 2018 8:37:21 GMT
Why do writers think that a professional woman needs a 'hug' from a male colleague-actually a subordinate in this scene-when they have had a challenging professional moment? Asking for a friend....... Adding, check the very unnatural positioning of the extras walking towards and up the stairs. Perfectly spaced, like someone said '1,2,3 and go and 1,2,3 and go....'
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