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Post by latte on Nov 3, 2018 8:48:22 GMT
Is this still supposed to be a drama rather than a dramedy? This goes to the conversation above about the writing. Did the scene need the Nolan character to state the obvious here? If this is a drama wouldn't that line have been something more like an expletive response from a fellow officer? I mean we can 'see' that the officer on the ground is being treated by a medic after we 'saw' him get shot. Then we 'heard' the call that there was an officer down. Yet Hawley chose to go for this dialogue?
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 3, 2018 11:27:48 GMT
Ive just had a thought about the rookie and perhaps why not too many are enjoying/enamoured of it so far.....and yes I will compare Castle with it. Castle was a multi-faceted show, a dramedy. There were multi-faceted relationships: Kate and Rick working together/Kate being forced to work with him/them learning about each other weekly; Then there was Kate and Captain Roy Montgomery, her boss and mentor, and father figure, plus Kate and her relationship with Espo and Ryan, ie her brothers in arms, plus Kate bein 2IC of Homicide; plus the relationship of Rick with his mother and daughter. In season 4 we were introduced to Captain Victoria Gates, and how she interracted with Kate, and her dislike/disdain of Rick. fillion was the most well known of the actors, apart from Susan Sullivan, Reuben Santiago Hudson, then Penny Jerald johnsom. Stana was a relative unknown, but as Kate Beckett, from the Pilot, she became Co Lead., where she remained for 8 seasons. Plus Stana and fillion had amazing and magical chemistry from the Pilot. With the rookie, no actors have the same calibre of the actors of Castle. There is no chemistry with any actors on the rookie, and certainly none with fillion and the girlfriend. Not many posters are posting their thoughts re the rookies eps thus far, here or elsewhere. No chemistry with any of the characters may be explained by not much posting/ratings. But this is just my opinion, based on reading., and watching Castle dvds. Those are valid points, although we do have to remember that Castle too struggled in its first season. To me the fundamental problem with The Rookie (through the two eps I've watched) is that (1) there's nothing new except Nolan's age difference and that's already run out of steam and (2) there's no one to care about, mostly because the set-up they've chosen is to tell, not show. We're told Nolan went through some sort of re-awakening after the bank robbery that begins the first ep, but we're not shown it. We're told he struggled through the Academy, but we're not shown it. And so on. The few things we are shown, like the one training officer's problem with a wife who's a drug addict on the streets, is actually shown too soon, before the character is developed as the super tough guy on the rookies. Aww, even the nasty TO gets pity. The result is that the show is just all too pat, too cliched. Even the victims of the crimes are tossed away into the I-don't-care bin since there's little follow-up with them or when there is it's all about Nolan, not the victim. That wouldn't be too bad if Nathan played Nolan as a deeper, more complex character but the viewer, by not having seen his transition from small town construction company owner to the beach-dwelling, know-it-all wise rookie, is left uncaring. The same can be said about his romance. The one thing Castle did superbly was to introduce and establish the characters as individuals first and only then in various relationships. You had time to get invested in the characters before having them pair up in different ways. TR presents it all as a fait accompli. It's a bit like seeing the preparation of a dinner from the gathering of the ingredients onward before getting to feast on it versus just having the full dinner plate put in front of you. I prefer the former. Yes I know that Castle struggled in its first season, but the chemistry with all the major players was there from the pilot. i also forgot to mention Kates friendship and 'sistership' with Medical Examiner, Lanie Parish. Lanie was truly the sister Kate never had and also knew that Kate liked/was attracted to Rick from the start/early on. Many thanks for explaining how the rookie eps are developing - or not. The fact of the victims of crime are being tossed away is also opposite to Castle because Kate cared about the victims of crime and was an advocate for them because of her own experience. Both Captain Montgomery and Gates also cared about the victims of crime. Its sad that the viewer of the rookie is left uncaring. It seems to me that alexi hawley is trying to prove that he can successfully run a show -- but he's failing again, and it also seems that fillion is trying to prove he is a good lead actor, but is not, and or the writing is letting him down. Many thanks also for your analagies to explain the Castle difference to the rookie. I also prefer the former. I also totally agree with you that Castle superbly introduced the characters as individuals first. When Captain Gates arrived, she had a back story, and part of her arrival was how she Captained, and we saw how the team had to re learn how to work with her way of doing things, and Kate was especially affected. That was played out in Rise, and the rest of season 4, and from then onwards. Maybe fillion fans only care that he is back on tv, not how the show is evolving, not how the eps/dialogue/scenes are put together. Many thanks for your postings re the rookie thus far, Quasar. It is much appreciated. It is also a shame that part of the rookie is not spent explaining to the viewers of Nolans struggles at the Academy, nor of his awakening after the bank robbbery, in fact it does seem unfathomable that that very thing that would help demonstrate to the viewers about Nolans feelings or learning about himself, is not being explored, ie to give the viewer something to invest in.
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Post by quasar on Nov 3, 2018 18:37:41 GMT
Ratings 0.8/3 4.53. Stable from last week, but the bottom of the 10 slot. TPTB at ABC are probably satisfied with this level of ratings. Tuesday’s 10 slot is a desert all around. That said, if these ratings slip any the show is in trouble. At some point TPTB will want better than TR is giving them. Can this show get above these ratings? Do they miss out next week due to midterms in the US? Yes. ABC decided to pull it for the week so one of its eps wouldn't get interrupted by breaking news reports.
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Post by quasar on Nov 3, 2018 18:57:28 GMT
Why do writers think that a professional woman needs a 'hug' from a male colleague-actually a subordinate in this scene-when they have had a challenging professional moment? Asking for a friend....... Adding, check the very unnatural positioning of the extras walking towards and up the stairs. Perfectly spaced, like someone said '1,2,3 and go and 1,2,3 and go....' I know. It makes you want to throttle them. These clips actually demonstrate my "mugging" theory very well. Compare how much sincere emotion Afton Williamson conveys with her low-keyed facial expressions and still upper body and Nathan's "mugging" and dismissive wave. Even without knowing the context, you can see her character's feelings of disappointment, perhaps disgust, and definitely annoyance with him. As for dialog, here the attempt at banter fails. Afton's character is simply not a bantering sort. Coming from Kate Beckett "Do you want to get tased?" would have been amusing and Nathan's reaction as Nolan would have been OK for Rick Castle. But here, no. It just doesn't work when mixing a rookie with a training officer. It's not just that Nolan says that about giving her a hug, it's that his look seems to suggest he's looking for her weaknesses. Very funny about the extras. Hadn't noticed that on my own.
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Post by quasar on Nov 3, 2018 19:07:07 GMT
Those are valid points, although we do have to remember that Castle too struggled in its first season. To me the fundamental problem with The Rookie (through the two eps I've watched) is that (1) there's nothing new except Nolan's age difference and that's already run out of steam and (2) there's no one to care about, mostly because the set-up they've chosen is to tell, not show. We're told Nolan went through some sort of re-awakening after the bank robbery that begins the first ep, but we're not shown it. We're told he struggled through the Academy, but we're not shown it. And so on. The few things we are shown, like the one training officer's problem with a wife who's a drug addict on the streets, is actually shown too soon, before the character is developed as the super tough guy on the rookies. Aww, even the nasty TO gets pity. The result is that the show is just all too pat, too cliched. Even the victims of the crimes are tossed away into the I-don't-care bin since there's little follow-up with them or when there is it's all about Nolan, not the victim. That wouldn't be too bad if Nathan played Nolan as a deeper, more complex character but the viewer, by not having seen his transition from small town construction company owner to the beach-dwelling, know-it-all wise rookie, is left uncaring. The same can be said about his romance. The one thing Castle did superbly was to introduce and establish the characters as individuals first and only then in various relationships. You had time to get invested in the characters before having them pair up in different ways. TR presents it all as a fait accompli. It's a bit like seeing the preparation of a dinner from the gathering of the ingredients onward before getting to feast on it versus just having the full dinner plate put in front of you. I prefer the former. Yes I know that Castle struggled in its first season, but the chemistry with all the major players was there from the pilot. i also forgot to mention Kates friendship and 'sistership' with Medical Examiner, Lanie Parish. Lanie was truly the sister Kate never had and also knew that Kate liked/was attracted to Rick from the start/early on. Many thanks for explaining how the rookie eps are developing - or not. The fact of the victims of crime are being tossed away is also opposite to Castle because Kate cared about the victims of crime and was an advocate for them because of her own experience. Both Captain Montgomery and Gates also cared about the victims of crime. Its sad that the viewer of the rookie is left uncaring. It seems to me that alexi hawley is trying to prove that he can successfully run a show -- but he's failing again, and it also seems that fillion is trying to prove he is a good lead actor, but is not, and or the writing is letting him down. Many thanks also for your analagies to explain the Castle difference to the rookie. I also prefer the former. I also totally agree with you that Castle superbly introduced the characters as individuals first. When Captain Gates arrived, she had a back story, and part of her arrival was how she Captained, and we saw how the team had to re learn how to work with her way of doing things, and Kate was especially affected. That was played out in Rise, and the rest of season 4, and from then onwards. Maybe fillion fans only care that he is back on tv, not how the show is evolving, not how the eps/dialogue/scenes are put together. Many thanks for your postings re the rookie thus far, Quasar. It is much appreciated. It is also a shame that part of the rookie is not spent explaining to the viewers of Nolans struggles at the Academy, nor of his awakening after the bank robbbery, in fact it does seem unfathomable that that very thing that would help demonstrate to the viewers about Nolans feelings or learning about himself, is not being explored, ie to give the viewer something to invest in. Thanks, Syd. You're right, of course, about the chemistry being there from the very beginning on Castle. I was amazed at how quickly I became engaged with all of them during the pilot. I still think the introductory shots of the two main characters are the best I've ever seen in film as well as TV. I'm trying to be fair to TR despite not liking it. I should say that I probably wouldn't like it even with a different lead actor.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 4, 2018 12:47:25 GMT
Yes I know that Castle struggled in its first season, but the chemistry with all the major players was there from the pilot. i also forgot to mention Kates friendship and 'sistership' with Medical Examiner, Lanie Parish. Lanie was truly the sister Kate never had and also knew that Kate liked/was attracted to Rick from the start/early on. Many thanks for explaining how the rookie eps are developing - or not. The fact of the victims of crime are being tossed away is also opposite to Castle because Kate cared about the victims of crime and was an advocate for them because of her own experience. Both Captain Montgomery and Gates also cared about the victims of crime. Its sad that the viewer of the rookie is left uncaring. It seems to me that alexi hawley is trying to prove that he can successfully run a show -- but he's failing again, and it also seems that fillion is trying to prove he is a good lead actor, but is not, and or the writing is letting him down. Many thanks also for your analagies to explain the Castle difference to the rookie. I also prefer the former. I also totally agree with you that Castle superbly introduced the characters as individuals first. When Captain Gates arrived, she had a back story, and part of her arrival was how she Captained, and we saw how the team had to re learn how to work with her way of doing things, and Kate was especially affected. That was played out in Rise, and the rest of season 4, and from then onwards. Maybe fillion fans only care that he is back on tv, not how the show is evolving, not how the eps/dialogue/scenes are put together. Many thanks for your postings re the rookie thus far, Quasar. It is much appreciated. It is also a shame that part of the rookie is not spent explaining to the viewers of Nolans struggles at the Academy, nor of his awakening after the bank robbbery, in fact it does seem unfathomable that that very thing that would help demonstrate to the viewers about Nolans feelings or learning about himself, is not being explored, ie to give the viewer something to invest in. Thanks, Syd. You're right, of course, about the chemistry being there from the very beginning on Castle. I was amazed at how quickly I became engaged with all of them during the pilot. I still think the introductory shots of the two main characters are the best I've ever seen in film as well as TV. I'm trying to be fair to TR despite not liking it. I should say that I probably wouldn't like it even with a different lead actor. I very much appreciate your thoughts re the show thus far, as theres not many others posting about it. When/if the show is cancelled, I hope he learns a lesson.
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Post by notfanatic on Nov 4, 2018 23:22:30 GMT
Thanks, Syd. You're right, of course, about the chemistry being there from the very beginning on Castle. I was amazed at how quickly I became engaged with all of them during the pilot. I still think the introductory shots of the two main characters are the best I've ever seen in film as well as TV. I'm trying to be fair to TR despite not liking it. I should say that I probably wouldn't like it even with a different lead actor. I very much appreciate your thoughts re the show thus far, as theres not many others posting about it. When/if the show is cancelled, I hope he learns a lesson. I'm sure he won't, never. He will blame viewers, writers, directors ... but will never blame himself.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 5, 2018 12:14:09 GMT
I very much appreciate your thoughts re the show thus far, as theres not many others posting about it. When/if the show is cancelled, I hope he learns a lesson. I'm sure he won't, never. He will blame viewers, writers, directors ... but will never blame himself. More's the pity. Which is quite sad really.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 14, 2018 13:11:00 GMT
No comments yet as per the latest ep to screen, and after a week break as per the mid term election too.
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Post by crosscastle on Nov 14, 2018 15:04:21 GMT
Tried again last night to watch 15 minutes in fell asleep.Ugh.
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Post by KB1L40 on Nov 17, 2018 17:54:23 GMT
Last time I will ask, "where are all the so called Nathan fans telling us why we should be watching this series?" To me this is the perfect opportunity to highlight everything that makes the series worth watching but alas, it seems to me - yet again - that unless Nathan is involved in something sci-fi or comedy, they have no interest. Which I find sad...
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 17, 2018 17:59:13 GMT
Channing Dungey is leaving ABC as head of entertainment. Reason is big drop in ratings. Not a good thing for The Rookie. Karey Burke, Channing’s replacement, will want to sweep out any show that is not doing well. TR needs improved ratings right now. Any drop will not be acceptable. TR gone after holidays.
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Post by quasar on Nov 17, 2018 19:04:41 GMT
Last time I will ask, "where are all the so called Nathan fans telling us why we should be watching this series?" To me this is the perfect opportunity to highlight everything that makes the series worth watching but alas, it seems to me - yet again - that unless Nathan is involved in something sci-fi or comedy, they have no interest. Which I find sad... B :-)- The only chatter about TR that I'm seeing is here and there's not a lot about why to watch it. I think even many of his fans are having trouble with the series. So it may not be him as much as it is the show for these fans.
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Nov 17, 2018 20:24:22 GMT
Channing Dungey is leaving ABC as head of entertainment. Reason is big drop in ratings. Not a good thing for The Rookie. Karey Burke, Channing’s replacement, will want to sweep out any show that is not doing well. TR needs improved ratings right now. Any drop will not be acceptable. TR gone after holidays. It got a full season (20 episode) order two weeks ago, so I wouldn't think they'll make any public announcement about it until at least March, even if they've already decided its fate before then. Anything earlier would pretty much doom any chance to keep the ratings up, and they'd be giving lots of givebacks to advertisers as a result. Better to let people think that there is actually a reason to keep watching.
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 17, 2018 22:50:13 GMT
Channing Dungey is leaving ABC as head of entertainment. Reason is big drop in ratings. Not a good thing for The Rookie. Karey Burke, Channing’s replacement, will want to sweep out any show that is not doing well. TR needs improved ratings right now. Any drop will not be acceptable. TR gone after holidays. It got a full season (20 episode) order two weeks ago, so I wouldn't think they'll make any public announcement about it until at least March, even if they've already decided its fate before then. Anything earlier would pretty much doom any chance to keep the ratings up, and they'd be giving lots of givebacks to advertisers as a result. Better to let people think that there is actually a reason to keep watching. Yes and no. A new boss needs to take action quickly. Failure to take obvious steps to improve things immediately makes them look indecisive to the people who gave them the job. Now is the time tptb will give the new boss lots of slack to take chances. I’m sure ABC has shows in development or in the can already. The season order for TR was the old boss’s decision and maybe the one that got them canned. Also the order for 20 was recent. A decision to cancel an under performer like TR is an easy win for the new boss.
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 18, 2018 12:06:57 GMT
Last time I will ask, "where are all the so called Nathan fans telling us why we should be watching this series?" To me this is the perfect opportunity to highlight everything that makes the series worth watching but alas, it seems to me - yet again - that unless Nathan is involved in something sci-fi or comedy, they have no interest. Which I find sad... B :-)- The only chatter about TR that I'm seeing is here and there's not a lot about why to watch it. I think even many of his fans are having trouble with the series. So it may not be him as much as it is the show for these fans. Or both. ie his fans having issues with the character of Nolan as well as the show overall (?). ie ie......he isnt Rick Castle, nor is he Capt Mal......
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Post by everyonesfriend on Nov 18, 2018 12:26:41 GMT
Channing jumped to quick to fire Roseanne. The comments she made were bad, but the network jumped on her and never tried to figure out a solution. Instead, to keep her friends working, she had to sign away all the rights to her show, the show she created and made millions for ABC and the stars. To add insult to injury, they kill off her character from a drug overdose. In my opinion, she apologized and perhaps do a PSA during a commercial. I find it hard to call Roseanne a racist when she had many African American, gay, little transgender grandson and an episode about being worried about muslims living near her. That was a great teaching episode. She made a stupid, racist joke and it's ridiculous ABC destroyed her. I'm sure her past mistakes like canceling "Last Man Standing" and the Castle fiasco. As far as The Rookie, as I understand what I'm reading, is even though TR isn't pulling in the great ratings, they really don't have much to replace it
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 18, 2018 17:34:43 GMT
Oh yes, the Roseanne issue probably had a significant impact of Channing's firing. On fortunately, that was a no win situation for Channing. She was damned either way. I never got her actions on Last Man Standing, but Tim Allen can be a double handful to deal with. The Castle decision was easy.
As for replacements for The Rookie, the networks have stacks of proposals and scripts they can turn into a broadcastable show by the end of January. I'd bet ABC has a dozen or so shows with premier episodes in the can right now. Remember the Castle premier was a longer version of their presentation shoot and they turned out 13 episodes very fast. Hard work, but very doable.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Nov 18, 2018 19:38:02 GMT
Last time I will ask, "where are all the so called Nathan fans telling us why we should be watching this series?" To me this is the perfect opportunity to highlight everything that makes the series worth watching but alas, it seems to me - yet again - that unless Nathan is involved in something sci-fi or comedy, they have no interest. Which I find sad... B :-)- If you want to watch a show, you should watch it. If you don’t, then don’t watch. Why do you need convincing from anonymous strangers?
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Post by castlefan1212 on Nov 18, 2018 19:40:38 GMT
Channing jumped to quick to fire Roseanne. The comments she made were bad, but the network jumped on her and never tried to figure out a solution. Instead, to keep her friends working, she had to sign away all the rights to her show, the show she created and made millions for ABC and the stars. To add insult to injury, they kill off her character from a drug overdose. In my opinion, she apologized and perhaps do a PSA during a commercial. I find it hard to call Roseanne a racist when she had many African American, gay, little transgender grandson and an episode about being worried about muslims living near her. That was a great teaching episode. She made a stupid, racist joke and it's ridiculous ABC destroyed her. I'm sure her past mistakes like canceling "Last Man Standing" and the Castle fiasco. As far as The Rookie, as I understand what I'm reading, is even though TR isn't pulling in the great ratings, they really don't have much to replace it Canceling Roseanne increased her stature in the industry esp in the liberal circles of Hollywood.
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Post by castlefan1212 on Nov 18, 2018 19:41:34 GMT
Oh yes, the Roseanne issue probably had a significant impact of Channing's firing. On fortunately, that was a no win situation for Channing. She was damned either way. I never got her actions on Last Man Standing, but Tim Allen can be a double handful to deal with. The Castle decision was easy. As for replacements for The Rookie, the networks have stacks of proposals and scripts they can turn into a broadcastable show by the end of January. I'd bet ABC has a dozen or so shows with premier episodes in the can right now. Remember the Castle premier was a longer version of their presentation shoot and they turned out 13 episodes very fast. Hard work, but very doable. Did she leave or was she forced out?
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Post by jnorton45 on Nov 18, 2018 22:10:33 GMT
Oh yes, the Roseanne issue probably had a significant impact of Channing's firing. On fortunately, that was a no win situation for Channing. She was damned either way. I never got her actions on Last Man Standing, but Tim Allen can be a double handful to deal with. The Castle decision was easy. As for replacements for The Rookie, the networks have stacks of proposals and scripts they can turn into a broadcastable show by the end of January. I'd bet ABC has a dozen or so shows with premier episodes in the can right now. Remember the Castle premier was a longer version of their presentation shoot and they turned out 13 episodes very fast. Hard work, but very doable. Did she leave or was she forced out? From the brief article in Variety, I got the feeling she was forced out.
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Post by latte on Nov 21, 2018 21:46:59 GMT
Broadcast primetime live + same-day ratings for Tuesday, November 20, 2018Time Show Adults 18-49 rating/share Viewers (millions) 10 p.m. New Amsterdam (NBC) 1.1/5 5.89 NCIS: New Orleans (CBS) 0.8/3 7.43 The Rookie (ABC) 0.7/3 4.05 “The Rookie” rounded out the night for the network with a 0.7 for the second week in a row.
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Post by KB1L40 on Nov 23, 2018 22:22:58 GMT
Quasar - thanks for the link to the other board
NYer - don't you think that it's also possible that if fans know a series is ending they will tune in more just to see how it was going to end?
Castlefan 1212 - sadly your comment for me is why the Nathan section on this board is soo out of date. If someone is really enjoying a series, it may just make me tune in to see whether it is better than I thought it would be. It might even - shock, horror - begin a discussion about The Rookie where I may agree or disagree about events in an episode. But as least it would mean that the show is being discussed and surely that is the point of a board such as this? We watch an episode and discuss....
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Post by NYerBornnbred on Nov 23, 2018 23:49:50 GMT
Quasar - thanks for the link to the other board NYer - don't you think that it's also possible that if fans know a series is ending they will tune in more just to see how it was going to end?
Castlefan 1212 - sadly your comment for me is why the Nathan section on this board is soo out of date. If someone is really enjoying a series, it may just make me tune in to see whether it is better than I thought it would be. It might even - shock, horror - begin a discussion about The Rookie where I may agree or disagree about events in an episode. But as least it would mean that the show is being discussed and surely that is the point of a board such as this? We watch an episode and discuss.... B :-) I think that could be true (and often is true) for a show that's been around long enough for people to become invested in it, but I think it takes (a lot) more than 10 episodes for that to happen. I think this show is still in the stage where they're trying to build loyalty, not where the loyalty is already there.
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Post by quasar on Nov 24, 2018 1:15:23 GMT
Quasar - thanks for the link to the other board NYer - don't you think that it's also possible that if fans know a series is ending they will tune in more just to see how it was going to end?
Castlefan 1212 - sadly your comment for me is why the Nathan section on this board is soo out of date. If someone is really enjoying a series, it may just make me tune in to see whether it is better than I thought it would be. It might even - shock, horror - begin a discussion about The Rookie where I may agree or disagree about events in an episode. But as least it would mean that the show is being discussed and surely that is the point of a board such as this? We watch an episode and discuss.... B :-) I think that could be true (and often is true) for a show that's been around long enough for people to become invested in it, but I think it takes (a lot) more than 10 episodes for that to happen. I think this show is still in the stage where they're trying to build loyalty, not where the loyalty is already there. Probably right, but I don't think that's what TPTB (including Hawley and Fillion) expected. With the huge promo push and Nathan's supposedly huge fanbase, I think they all believed TR would be a hit out of the gate. It's been barely enough of a success given how low the bar's set that it got the backorder, but I still think it's very iffy for a renewal.
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Post by latte on Nov 24, 2018 11:09:00 GMT
I think that could be true (and often is true) for a show that's been around long enough for people to become invested in it, but I think it takes (a lot) more than 10 episodes for that to happen. I think this show is still in the stage where they're trying to build loyalty, not where the loyalty is already there. Probably right, but I don't think that's what TPTB (including Hawley and Fillion) expected. With the huge promo push and Nathan's supposedly huge fanbase, I think they all believed TR would be a hit out of the gate. It's been barely enough of a success given how low the bar's set that it got the backorder, but I still think it's very iffy for a renewal. TBH, think network shows are all pushing to get good returns. Critical few weeks ahead for TR. Wonder if there is any pressure BTS on Hawley? Lot of ABC went into backing the show and those ABC execs, with the current internal turmoil, will be sweating on TR making good on their decisions.
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Post by latte on Nov 24, 2018 11:11:01 GMT
Channing jumped to quick to fire Roseanne. The comments she made were bad, but the network jumped on her and never tried to figure out a solution. Instead, to keep her friends working, she had to sign away all the rights to her show, the show she created and made millions for ABC and the stars. To add insult to injury, they kill off her character from a drug overdose. In my opinion, she apologized and perhaps do a PSA during a commercial. I find it hard to call Roseanne a racist when she had many African American, gay, little transgender grandson and an episode about being worried about muslims living near her. That was a great teaching episode. She made a stupid, racist joke and it's ridiculous ABC destroyed her. I'm sure her past mistakes like canceling "Last Man Standing" and the Castle fiasco. As far as The Rookie, as I understand what I'm reading, is even though TR isn't pulling in the great ratings, they really don't have much to replace it Canceling Roseanne increased her stature in the industry esp in the liberal circles of Hollywood. Hope it's not just liberals who are not racists? Heard her hand was forced by the Disney boss? I don't think he was too thrilled with theDisney brand being associated with an actor dressing up as a Nazi and putting gingerbread people into an oven.
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Post by latte on Nov 24, 2018 11:19:53 GMT
Channing jumped to quick to fire Roseanne. The comments she made were bad, but the network jumped on her and never tried to figure out a solution. Instead, to keep her friends working, she had to sign away all the rights to her show, the show she created and made millions for ABC and the stars. To add insult to injury, they kill off her character from a drug overdose. In my opinion, she apologized and perhaps do a PSA during a commercial. I find it hard to call Roseanne a racist when she had many African American, gay, little transgender grandson and an episode about being worried about muslims living near her. That was a great teaching episode. She made a stupid, racist joke and it's ridiculous ABC destroyed her. I'm sure her past mistakes like canceling "Last Man Standing" and the Castle fiasco. As far as The Rookie, as I understand what I'm reading, is even though TR isn't pulling in the great ratings, they really don't have much to replace it EOF, rarely do I disagree with you but on the issue of Roseanne we are at different ends. IMO the right call was made to fire her after, not just one racist transgression. She went too far and she did it more than once. Hate crimes are on the increase and giving a tepid slap on the hand was not the right stand to take. Leaders need to stand up to that kind of hateful behaviour and do so strongly in particular against those with loud SM platforms such as Roseanne. PEACE2ALL
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Post by sydauscaskettfan2412 on Nov 24, 2018 11:54:11 GMT
I think that could be true (and often is true) for a show that's been around long enough for people to become invested in it, but I think it takes (a lot) more than 10 episodes for that to happen. I think this show is still in the stage where they're trying to build loyalty, not where the loyalty is already there. Probably right, but I don't think that's what TPTB (including Hawley and Fillion) expected. With the huge promo push and Nathan's supposedly huge fanbase, I think they all believed TR would be a hit out of the gate. It's been barely enough of a success given how low the bar's set that it got the backorder, but I still think it's very iffy for a renewal. Or at the very least, hawley and fillion probably Expected it to be a Huge Runaway Success (probably overnight), and also possibly/pitched the same expectations to abc/studio.
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